At what moment did Pacquiao become better than Mayweather?

First there was no hint that there will be blood testing. After Pac signed, Floyd wants a blood test (OST) ----- Pac agreed When Pac agreed: He wants random BT which includes the day before ----Pac disagreed Pac wants 24, Floyd proposed 14 days-----Pac disagreed I asked you to post links. No hint of OST? Maybe not to us, the fans. But don't believe for one second that they just threw OST in there. They knew the deal from the beginning, that is why Roach kept saying that they would pass ANY test because Manny was clean.

Alot of people think Pac had loaded Veins. Goes both ways. Also Cotto was forced to weigh 145 Pounds. that doesn't go both ways dumbass. Only Floyd fans think he's on roids because of crackhead Mayweather Sr. Pacquiao has never tested positive for anything illegal. Margarito was busted for his wraps on the scene. Oh yea and Mayweather is not a right handed counter puncher. He's a defensive pot shooter that can't string combinations together. Pacquiao beats him on this standard alone. If Mayweather were to beat Pacquiao, he's not going to have the same success Marquez did, it would be from running, blocking and using his long reach.

every single boxing publication that has Pac 1 & that fraud 2 p4p. also the bwaa of america who named Pac fighter of the decade over fraud jr. Somebody told you otherwise? This is one of the problems, we listen and believe every boxing outlet for giving their opinions on this and that...in the process, boxing fans don't think for themselves and believe ANYTHING from ANYBODY.

every single boxing publication that has Pac 1 & that fraud 2 p4p. also the bwaa of america who named Pac fighter of the decade over fraud jr. Somebody told you otherwise? oh you mean the same publications that said Jeff Lacy would be the next Mike Tyson? oh right right those guys obviously know what they're talking about they never hype nobody up, no.. to be honest man all sarcasm aside Floyd has yet to be defeated and he's been fighting at the top level of this sport for over 10 years, I could care less what alphabet soup organizations or publications call Pacquiao this decades fighter man Floyd is the better fighter, he has a better style and he more thoroughly defeats his opponents, they actually get the chance to throw what they have and he simply outclasses them by not getting hit after hitting, that is more impressive to do that over 10 rounds than to demolish someone in 2, good shots land all the time but it takes true Boxing mastery to outclass someone for 12.. in a nut shell Floyd is a MUCH better pugilist than Pacquiao man IMO this stands without question, Boxing is a changing game, this ain't back in the day man nowadays you can make Millions of dollars all the time as long as you make the right moves, him picking Shane to fight now is no different than him picking Judah except Shane didn't just come off a loss, the only difference is since Judah lost to Baldomir nobody was hype for it but had Judah won the world would have been anxious for it, Shane beats the plaster man and gets a strap and is 2nd biggest $$$ fight for him just like Zab when Baldomir was his biggest money fight and Zab who still had something to offer was his 2nd biggest fight, see it was never about "who" it was ALWAYS about "how much", he has the skills to beat them all and has accomplished too much to not be acknowledged as this decades best, from 00-10 Mayweather did nothing but rise and didn't even look phased doing it

Agreed to a point....a point where he thinks it's fair and not the flip flopping decisions that Floyd did just to annoy Pac and make him his bitch. What? When did Floyd flip flop on the testing, please post links.

Pacquiao is better than Mayweather? who told you that homie?

"At what moment did Pacquiao become better than Mayweather?" The moment he took challenges. Call me when Mayweather does. You dudes are PRO'S at REwriting history.

I'm not trying to hate on the guy but we have to keep things in perpesctive. Hes a great fighter no doubt. But I need to see him vs. another counter puncher again. I need to see if hes still the same guy that JMM smacked up side the head over and over. A fight with Mayweather will show me what Pac is about. SO PRAY that either of these happens 1. Commision enforces whatever Floyd testing wants. (But he might ask for another thing after) 2. FLoyd agrees to drop additional testing demand 3. Pac accepts Floyd's demand.

IMO, that was not even the worst schooling pac had. Sasakul gave him a better education than Jmm before he got caught with a huge left. So ****ing true. I bet 99% of all Pac haters never watched that fight. If they did. They would probably used that as argument. And I can agree. Pac was losing every round up until the KO.

Alot of people think Pac had loaded Veins. Goes both ways. Also Cotto was forced to weigh 145 Pounds. LOL they're not even comparable. Marg was confirmed to have cheated in a fight and was suspended. Pac's initial accuser was Floyd Sr. and Atlas' supposed email vanished in thin air.

There are some very ridiculous and stupid people in this thread. Supporting both fighters. Wow. So all Mayweather does is run, and Diego Corrales was a nobody prospect who has never done anything in his career. And Pacquiao fights nothing but weight drained shot fighters and has no skill whatsoever. I suggest anyone that finds these two statements ludicrous just not even bother with this thread.

Pacquiao is nobody's bitch............what's wrong with taking the blood tests immediately AFTER the fight....why is that not enough for Floyd? I like how ya'll like to conveniently leave out the FACT that Manny and his team AGREED to the OST. :nonono:

For those of you who think he will win (I'm not decided yet, I'll decide after their next fights). Surely at 130 Mayweather would have beaten Pacquiao who lost to Morales once and drew/won SD over Marquez. At 135? Pacquiao looked like a beast but he was only fighting David Diaz so it's hard to hell. 140 and 147 Pac beat up Hatton ODLH and Cotto but if you can pin point the moment Pac became good enough to beat Floyd let me know... His progression is so strange, haven't seen anything else like it in boxing. Pretty much agree with your observation. Very hard to pinpoint though. Me, only after he dispatched Cotto did it make me believe he will win over Mayweather. Not much because I still say this is a 50/50 fight. Either a UD potshot win for Pbf or a SD for Pac or late KO for Pac. The thing is after the Cotto fight, I was convinced that he can bang it out with an elite WW. That requires a very good chin and very good power at WW. The speed, stamina, odd-angles combos, etc, have always been there for him. Chin -- to make sure that he can take the accumulation of accurate potshots from Floyd. to make sure that he can take some shots while going in because IMO, Floyd's handspeed will enable him to get a shot in before pac goes for his combos. I just hope the potshots would not disrupt pac's offensive rhythm. Power -- To make Floyd tentative in releasing his combos. If he could make Floyd respect his power, Pbf would resort to a potshot galore. IMO, pac have a better shot at this potshotting Floyd rather than the sweet defense-to-combo offense as displayed on the 130 Floyd. A toe-to-toe slugfest though would be much easier for Pac to win.

Floyd had himself to be blamed for making Pacquiao Great, for one, if he didnt retire and fought Dela Hoya in a rematch, then he would still remain number 1, Pacman had so much desire to fight Ricky Hatton, but not DLH, Pacquiao never expect to fight DLH, it was only after Pretty Boy says I quit for a while that this Pacman phenomenon soon rise at its highest level.

when he started wooping as 3 times a year.

Please that wasn't even the worst schooling of Pac's career. That was a great fight. JMM schooled Pac in their first fight worse than Morales did. IMO, that was not even the worst schooling pac had. Sasakul gave him a better education than Jmm before he got caught with a huge left.

Pacquiao is nobody's bitch............what's wrong with taking the blood tests immediately AFTER the fight....why is that not enough for Floyd? You really think roids are to an athlete like ****ing spinach is to Popeye, don't you? You don't pop that stuff and jump into the ring/run your race/play the game all juiced up with superhuman strength. What people are discussing here are drugs that help you rebuild tissues faster allowing you to train harder and recover faster, and blood doping that helps stamina. Not that I think Pac is actually on anything, it's just that the whole 'after the fight' testing argument bothers me. If doping were to happen it would happen during training camp, and people much smarter and more qualified than you and me have gone on the record saying there are substances that could be used in training camp that wouldn't be detected by traditional tests weeks later after the fight.

What I'm trying to say is Pac will agree to take the test if a boxing governing body is the one who administered it. Principle and pride brother, that is the main reason he wouldn't budge on Floyd's demands. Didn't have shit to do with principle or pride. Basic principle tells us that for the good of the sport of boxing, and on a larger scale, professional sports as a whole, you'd take the test. The basic principles of pride tell us that you'd take the test just to one up those asked for the test, and silence your accusers.

Im not talkins about cutting weight. Im talking about a 130/135 Pound Pac beats Mayweather. Even the most DIEHARD Pac fans have said no way in hell that Pac beats him. there's really no right or wrong answer since we will never see it happen.

Actually there is some truth to that. While I feel Pac has grown more and filled out the WW division more, he was a 135lber frame that just didn't have to really cut weight as much by going into WW. Didn't you hear how they had to give Pac crazy calories and protein shakes everyday just to keep his weight up? He was never a WW when he first campaigned into the WW division. He got lucky Oscar was dead because it helped him put his foot in the door. Then dropping down for Hatton was easy because he was used to going down to 135lbs and below, so it was no big deal for the Hatton bout. Then he just maintained and added alittle more calories and strength work to stick it for the Cotto fight. Not that hard to realize, but Flomos think he became superman in that he went from 130lbs to 147lbs in couple years like he was always a midget. Im not talkins about cutting weight. Im talking about a 130/135 Pound Pac beats Mayweather. Even the most DIEHARD Pac fans have said no way in hell that Pac beats him.