Against guys like Cotto and Margarito, Clottey's shell was effective. Margarito throws wide shots so while he would break through here and there, Clottey kept himself well protected.
Cotto throws hooks. In Clottey's shell, his elbow's pick off hooks to the body and his gloves pick off hooks to the head.
Therefore, he could afford to take a breather in his shell and not absorb too much damage.
Pacquiao throws a phenomenal straight let to the mid section. That punch will go right through Clottey's guard. He also(obviously) throws a great straight left to the head, which will again, go right through Clottey's guard.
Clottey CANNOT sit in his shell and absorb shots like that, I don't care how hard the dude is. Pacquiao has the arsenal to render Clottey's highly praised defense ineffective. It's all because Pacquiao throws straight shots. Clottey will be tagged more than he's ever been tagged. And he will also be exhausted trying to keep up with the little ****er. He will quit after being dog tired and beat up.
Just thought some actual analysis on the fight might be refreshing as opposed to people just bitching at each other.
Thoughts?
I honestly think they're using this fight as a pseudo tune up for Mayweather. I understand they fight nothing alike but Clottey has an extremely tight defensive shell (may help penetrate Mayweather if he catches him) and he has a very good straight right like Mayweather. Just thinking but may have more of a reason for this fight than just to stay busy.
Yup. And even worse for Clottey, when he needs a breather and sits in that shell, he's not going to pick everything off.
Manny is going to make him move, and give him angles, and it's gonna make Clottey so tired. Then when Clottey takes a break in his shell THAT'S when Manny is really gonna get him. He just has the right arsenal to penetrate Clottey's guard, it's really that simple to me.
Yeah man, people don't understand that Clottey is just too predictable.
Manny isn't gonna have stamina problem and no gameplan like Cotto did. It's gonna be non stop activity almost exactly like you say in your post. And Clottey is gonna get countered and hurt, remember that.
I'm 100% sure of an easy Pac win, the only thing I'm not sure of is if Manny will be able to knock him out. Because it's hard to knockout a world class boxer in survival mode. I can see Clottey staying in his shell and not throwing, just like the Margarito fight.
I agree. Clottey would just walk into Cotto's kitchen and start throwing double and triple left hooks and uppercuts. And I'm just sitting there waiting for Cotto to throw a ****ing counter right hand, that shit pissed me off when I watched it a second time.
Clottey is too predictable for Pacquiao. Manny will time and counter Clottey with a hard shot when he opens up to throw a combination. And in the mean time, Pac will be throwing fast pitty pat shots and give lateral movement until he decides to open up.
Yup. And even worse for Clottey, when he needs a breather and sits in that shell, he's not going to pick everything off.
Manny is going to make him move, and give him angles, and it's gonna make Clottey so tired. Then when Clottey takes a break in his shell THAT'S when Manny is really gonna get him. He just has the right arsenal to penetrate Clottey's guard, it's really that simple to me.
Fine, bet what you want. But I saw that fight on live HBO on my big ass tv and Cotto broke through plenty of times and Clottey thought nothing of it.
As evidenced by the famous gif of him shaking his head and smiling at Cotto after he threw his barrage.
I saw it on TV as well, and since I was there I've watched the fight about 50 times like the mark that I am.
If you watch it closely....that .gif you're talking about being a PERFECT example...look at the punches that broke through. There was ZERO power behind them, every punch was pushed because Cotto was trying to throw them in between Clottey's guard, something Cotto is not good at doing.
Now I'm not saying Clottey doesn't have a good beard. He does, there's no denying that. I'm just saying Pac is going to hit him cleanly more times than he's ever been hit cleanly.
The punches that Cotto got through Clottey's guard were not as powerful as the ones that Pac will get through the guard because Cotto is not comfortable throwing those straight shots and Pac is. That's all I'm sayin. It's a style thing. I still think Floyd whoops Pac's ass.
I can see Manny Winning pretty big on the scorecard, but i cant see him knocking him out. I've just never seen Clottey hurt or really hit that clean that often.
It's not overrating it, it's analyzing styles.
Cotto's problem was he couldn't penetrate Clottey's guard to save his life cause all of a sudden he can't throw a straight right hand.
That's Pacquiao's strength. His straights will go right throw Clottey's gloves and right through his elbows. Clottey aint used to getting hit cleanly that often, but Pac throws the kind of punches that can penetrate Clottey's guard, and he throws a ton of them.
Clottey will be EXHAUSTED.
I agree. Clottey would just walk into Cotto's kitchen and start throwing double and triple left hooks and uppercuts. And I'm just sitting there waiting for Cotto to throw a ****ing counter right hand, that shit pissed me off when I watched it a second time.
Clottey is too predictable for Pacquiao. Manny will time and counter Clottey with a hard shot when he opens up to throw a combination. And in the mean time, Pac will be throwing fast pitty pat shots and give lateral movement until he decides to open up.
Cotto broke through Clottey's guard plenty of times. He had him pinned against the ropes and teed off on him multiple times during the fight.
Clottey just laughed it off. Your analysis is flawed. Cotto could've finished that fight if his corner didn't stop it. Packy is not as strong, or good as you make him out to be.
Bet with me.
No he didn't. I was there and I'm a Cotto fan. Cotto's most clean shots came in exchanges. When Clottey was in his guard Cotto would land like 2 punches for every 7 he threw. And most of the ones he landed weren't big shots because they were straight punches that he isn't comfortable throwing.
And I don't think Pac is that great. I think it's just a bad style match up for Clottey. Watch Pac throw straight lefts to the body all night while darting in and out from all angles. Clottey is going to have nothing left.
I'm not gonna bet with you cause I don't even have 100k. And I don't feel like betting everything I have on one fight.
No it's not. He leaves the center of his body wide open cause his elbows are covering the sides of his body. He's wide open to body shots to the mid section and that's one of Pac's best punches and Clottey needs to take breathers. He can't do that with Pac.
Clottey will never be able to get off. I can't really see this fight being that close.
I am pretty sure Clottey is not that easy to straight whoop on. I fully expect him to lose but if Manny think he will just be able to come in and do like he has done recently could lead to problems for him.
Manny is the mentally stronger guy though so eventually that should pay off for Manny in the final third of the fight.
You overrate Packy's offense way too much. Cotto only got caught because he started getting careless and exchanged too much.
Clottey won't do that.
And Clottey is tougher and has a much better chin than Cotto.
I'll bet you 100k that this fight goes to the cards.
It's not overrating it, it's analyzing styles.
Cotto's problem was he couldn't penetrate Clottey's guard to save his life cause all of a sudden he can't throw a straight right hand.
That's Pacquiao's strength. His straights will go right throw Clottey's gloves and right through his elbows. Clottey aint used to getting hit cleanly that often, but Pac throws the kind of punches that can penetrate Clottey's guard, and he throws a ton of them.
Clottey will be EXHAUSTED.
It's true.
Clottey is too one dimensional for Pacquiao. He's very good at that dimension, but not enough to beat Manny.
Clottey's going to do the same thing he always does, which is move forward with his hands up in a protective shell. And block until he's close enough to punch.
Roach has to have a great gameplan set for Pac to implement. Clottey's a very tough fighter to face if you just head in there with no actual gameplan. Clottey thinks it's gonna be a you punch, I punch like he did with Cotto and it's gonna be far from it. Pacquiao is gonna show what an elite fighter with a great gameplan does to a fighter like Clottey.
Clottey gets stopped late. His lack of workrate got exposed in the cotto fight, even tho I had him winning. And with the exposure, one also has to question if he really broke his hand in the marg fight. It may look alot like williams vs wright, but with a stoppage.
the way i remember afterwards it wasnt broken but it could have been injured. but margo did have an ankle and wrist injury in that fight but persevered ... hes done it in 2 of his fights now, i dunno if its a mental or conditioning issue with him. or both, i expect the same thing to happen in his fight with pac in or around the 6-7 rd
all that being said i still expect it to go the distance ... clottey is good defensively tuff durable and has a good chin ...
A high guard defense like Clottey's is most effective against straight punches. I think Clottey will lose because falling short is what he does but I tend to think he will look alright in defeat.
No it's not. He leaves the center of his body wide open cause his elbows are covering the sides of his body. He's wide open to body shots to the mid section and that's one of Pac's best punches and Clottey needs to take breathers. He can't do that with Pac.
Clottey will never be able to get off. I can't really see this fight being that close.
manny is def underrated in his body work , if he could get to clottey's body effectively there a chance that liek roach said they will stop him late. altho i think it will go the distance ...
Clottey gets stopped late. His lack of workrate got exposed in the cotto fight, even tho I had him winning. And with the exposure, one also has to question if he really broke his hand in the marg fight. It may look alot like williams vs wright, but with a stoppage.
A high guard defense like Clottey's is most effective against straight punches. I think Clottey will lose because falling short is what he does but I tend to think he will look alright in defeat.
Manny is going to overwhelm Clottey. Josh will never be able to get off. He'll only be able to land his lead right hand every once in a while. I just see it as Pac outworking him and possibly putting him away late.