3 REASON why FLOYD is 1 STEP AHEAD of MANNY ARUM AND ROACH

His last three moves have been genius IMO. He has been shaping this fight from the very begining. 1) His first come back fight he takes on JMM. People call him a cherry picker amongst other things. This was done for one reason to obtain better bargaining leverage at the negotiations table. He takes out JMM in pretty easy fashion thus eliminating a public demand for a PAC vs JMM III. 2) He demands RANDOM TESTING for the fight with PAC on 3/13. When PAC made it a bigger thing than originally intended he puts an * next to PACS name in many of the common fans eyes. Thus the only fighter who is possibly compared to him as the BEST OF THIS ERA in many people eyes may have cheated. Even if he didn't walking away from 40 million in comparision to just giving blood RAISED some eyebrows. 3) He keeps his demand for RANDOM TESTING and says he is going to use it in every fight going forward to "CLEAN UP BOXING" PAC announces a fight with Clottey anther TOP RANK promoted fighter for the 3/13 date. NO SUCH TESTING is required. People are leaning back towards PAC and a good fight Floyd is left in limbo with out a dance partner. (no pun intended) 4) 1/18/09 Berto with draws from match with Mosley for Jan 30th date. Now possible match up between Floyd and Mosley lands in Floyds lap. Whether it goes down on March 13th or May1st undecided. But he puts the demand out there for RANDOM DRUG TEST with an admitted ROID user. (whether he knew about it or not he did admit it sorry Shane) Floyd can ink this deal he goes one up on Manny and also eliminates another potential opponent for Manny post his 3/13 date and inches himself a little closer to cornering Manny and shifting momentum back to GBP and himself at the negotiations table. Just my take on thing gentlemen agree or disagree....Lefty Good points bro, I do believe mayweather has the intelligence and business acumen to have a plan like this in place from the start. But I'm edging more toward the fact he's breaking pac down mentally with the rood accusations. He must be getting to Pacquiao by now, and this is negativity that causes people to lose focus. Mayweather has the brains to see this, hence why he winds up his fighters but remains focussed on fight night

this site is gonna be amazing if mosley knocks out mayweather. i actually think it will be more fun seeing the floyd fans on here, than the fight itself. or should i say, not seeing the floyd fans on here :bottle: if floyd got knocked out i'd prob take a little break from here ... and i dont even talk shit. but i kno i wont be able to deal with all the gloating

Mayweather is still boring. :439:

His last three moves have been genius IMO. He has been shaping this fight from the very begining. 1) His first come back fight he takes on JMM. People call him a cherry picker amongst other things. This was done for one reason to obtain better bargaining leverage at the negotiations table. He takes out JMM in pretty easy fashion thus eliminating a public demand for a PAC vs JMM III. 2) He demands RANDOM TESTING for the fight with PAC on 3/13. When PAC made it a bigger thing than originally intended he puts an * next to PACS name in many of the common fans eyes. Thus the only fighter who is possibly compared to him as the BEST OF THIS ERA in many people eyes may have cheated. Even if he didn't walking away from 40 million in comparision to just giving blood RAISED some eyebrows. 3) He keeps his demand for RANDOM TESTING and says he is going to use it in every fight going forward to "CLEAN UP BOXING" PAC announces a fight with Clottey anther TOP RANK promoted fighter for the 3/13 date. NO SUCH TESTING is required. People are leaning back towards PAC and a good fight Floyd is left in limbo with out a dance partner. (no pun intended) 4) 1/18/09 Berto with draws from match with Mosley for Jan 30th date. Now possible match up between Floyd and Mosley lands in Floyds lap. Whether it goes down on March 13th or May1st undecided. But he puts the demand out there for RANDOM DRUG TEST with an admitted ROID user. (whether he knew about it or not he did admit it sorry Shane) Floyd can ink this deal he goes one up on Manny and also eliminates another potential opponent for Manny post his 3/13 date and inches himself a little closer to cornering Manny and shifting momentum back to GBP and himself at the negotiations table. Just my take on thing gentlemen agree or disagree....Lefty I think this was a good post based on the fact you wuz drawing your own conclusion and all the other hate threads wuz boring as sh1t. At least you try to put some thought into ur posts GUNZZ.

A game of chess is one move at a time thinking 3 moves in front , Floyd has it all over Manny in the thinking department , pity there wasnt more time because Floyd would have fought Mosley on the 13th and sunk Mannys fight like the titanic . I would have loved it, but even with plenty of time it´s not business wise to split PPV´s

I like laying out possible outcomes and reasons for things happening...Being an agent of chaos is fun sometimes. Truly I think it will all pan out once Shane and Mayweather get face to face for the stare down at the weigh in you know it won't really matter that he fought Marquez or did not fight this one. People have short term memories it is what have you done for me lately you know. Anyway this was a good thread very debateable topic and I enjoyed all the posts and appreciate everyone getting it in...Lefty

this site is gonna be amazing if mosley knocks out mayweather. i actually think it will be more fun seeing the floyd fans on here, than the fight itself. or should i say, not seeing the floyd fans on here :bottle:

brilliant............

His last three moves have been genius IMO. He has been shaping this fight from the very begining. 1) His first come back fight he takes on JMM. People call him a cherry picker amongst other things. This was done for one reason to obtain better bargaining leverage at the negotiations table. He takes out JMM in pretty easy fashion thus eliminating a public demand for a PAC vs JMM III. 2) He demands RANDOM TESTING for the fight with PAC on 3/13. When PAC made it a bigger thing than originally intended he puts an * next to PACS name in many of the common fans eyes. Thus the only fighter who is possibly compared to him as the BEST OF THIS ERA in many people eyes may have cheated. Even if he didn't walking away from 40 million in comparision to just giving blood RAISED some eyebrows. 3) He keeps his demand for RANDOM TESTING and says he is going to use it in every fight going forward to "CLEAN UP BOXING" PAC announces a fight with Clottey anther TOP RANK promoted fighter for the 3/13 date. NO SUCH TESTING is required. People are leaning back towards PAC and a good fight Floyd is left in limbo with out a dance partner. (no pun intended) 4) 1/18/09 Berto with draws from match with Mosley for Jan 30th date. Now possible match up between Floyd and Mosley lands in Floyds lap. Whether it goes down on March 13th or May1st undecided. But he puts the demand out there for RANDOM DRUG TEST with an admitted ROID user. (whether he knew about it or not he did admit it sorry Shane) Floyd can ink this deal he goes one up on Manny and also eliminates another potential opponent for Manny post his 3/13 date and inches himself a little closer to cornering Manny and shifting momentum back to GBP and himself at the negotiations table. Just my take on thing gentlemen agree or disagree....Lefty 1. Yup. I agree. I also think, he did this for casual fans to think he is still P4P 1, because he made it look easy on a fighter that Pac went life and death with. 2. I agree. 3. Well, yeah. But this is Manny's step I think. 4. He got lucky that Mosley-Berto got dropped. But you are right. Mosley is the only other viable option out there at 147. If ever pbf wins, he will get the upper hand. Unless for some stroke of fate that pac-clottey ppv would perform greater than pbf-mosley.

dont think floyd will ever be the greatest at anything. fought one decent sized fighter in arguably there prime and many said he lost.

1. One reason BS- two reason one big name fighter , 2nd reason low risk, dont want to fight proper Welter Weight again. 2. He seen wen Pac said giving blood so close b4 Morales 1 fight affected him, and he felt weak so he was basically trying to spin it so he didnt have to fight Pac. 3. Floyd is not the Boxing Authority on drugs testing nor is he a scientist WTF? If u keep taking blood it can weaken busy fighters, it wont affect Floyd as much because of his laid back style. Look at how americans are the ones who always get caught cheating more than anyone the sprinters are prime example 75% of us sprinting olympic gold medalist were on roids but they got protected. However u dont hear that much apart from the odd russian on them. look how they protect they own but want to suck out Usain bolt blood like vampires in the night and everyone who is really good who Aint American must be on them! 4. Mayweather aint saying ish about a fight with Shane why not??? he turn chicken again surely not against old man mosley? First put all of your biased opininions aside. 1. If Floyd does fight Shane this eliminates the idea that he doesnt fight real WW. Shane is the best. This is the first time Pac is fighting a true WW at 147. Except he's not fighting the number 1. (There's nothing wrong with that. Shane is just better) 2. This just doesn't make sense. In the Morales fight he was tested the same day. The final compromise was 14 days before. It couldn't possibly have the same effect 2 weeks before. If it is during training, a simple sip of gatorade will help you recover in minutes from a teaspoon of blood drawn. You don't duck a fight through negotiations of blood test. You duck a fight with negotiations of money. Contrary to everyone's belief Mayweather negotiations are normally extremely smooth and fast. We all know Pacs negotiations are always rough. 3. First of all BOTH of them are taking the exact test. Lets avoid making stereotypes of other countries because there is an athlete from Every country who uses Performance enhancing drugs. While it is true that he is not the boxing authority neither is Manny. He has been asking for 10million per pound over, in his previous fights requesting only catchweights (which is a fight changing tactic). 4. May is always quiet during negotiations. He doesn't speak until the fight is finalized. Which is what every boxer does.

Pacquiao ducked Mayweather and now boxing goes on to a great great fight between Mayweather and Mosley. Pacquiao screwed up big time. When Mayweather beats Mosley and the ppv out sells Manny's, there will be no 50/50. totally agreed. But now I am now really coming to the belief that the pac v may fight will never happen because of this. TEam pac is never going to go under 50/50 and never submit the random drug testing

His last three moves have been genius IMO. He has been shaping this fight from the very begining. 1) His first come back fight he takes on JMM. People call him a cherry picker amongst other things. This was done for one reason to obtain better bargaining leverage at the negotiations table. He takes out JMM in pretty easy fashion thus eliminating a public demand for a PAC vs JMM III. 2) He demands RANDOM TESTING for the fight with PAC on 3/13. When PAC made it a bigger thing than originally intended he puts an * next to PACS name in many of the common fans eyes. Thus the only fighter who is possibly compared to him as the BEST OF THIS ERA in many people eyes may have cheated. Even if he didn't walking away from 40 million in comparision to just giving blood RAISED some eyebrows. 3) He keeps his demand for RANDOM TESTING and says he is going to use it in every fight going forward to "CLEAN UP BOXING" PAC announces a fight with Clottey anther TOP RANK promoted fighter for the 3/13 date. NO SUCH TESTING is required. People are leaning back towards PAC and a good fight Floyd is left in limbo with out a dance partner. (no pun intended) 4) 1/18/09 Berto with draws from match with Mosley for Jan 30th date. Now possible match up between Floyd and Mosley lands in Floyds lap. Whether it goes down on March 13th or May1st undecided. But he puts the demand out there for RANDOM DRUG TEST with an admitted ROID user. (whether he knew about it or not he did admit it sorry Shane) Floyd can ink this deal he goes one up on Manny and also eliminates another potential opponent for Manny post his 3/13 date and inches himself a little closer to cornering Manny and shifting momentum back to GBP and himself at the negotiations table. Just my take on thing gentlemen agree or disagree....Lefty 1. One reason BS- two reason one big name fighter , 2nd reason low risk, dont want to fight proper Welter Weight again. 2. He seen wen Pac said giving blood so close b4 Morales 1 fight affected him, and he felt weak so he was basically trying to spin it so he didnt have to fight Pac. 3. Floyd is not the Boxing Authority on drugs testing nor is he a scientist WTF? If u keep taking blood it can weaken busy fighters, it wont affect Floyd as much because of his laid back style. Look at how americans are the ones who always get caught cheating more than anyone the sprinters are prime example 75% of us sprinting olympic gold medalist were on roids but they got protected. However u dont hear that much apart from the odd russian on them. look how they protect they own but want to suck out Usain bolt blood like vampires in the night and everyone who is really good who Aint American must be on them! 4. Mayweather aint saying ish about a fight with Shane why not??? he turn chicken again surely not against old man mosley?

this is the THIRD time he's trying to get a fight with Shane, twice when Shane was Undefeated and Shane said NO and now when Shane KNOWS he isn't as big as Floyd, he's big, he's a f*ckin star but he isn't next to Floyd's notoriety, now when he realizes whos who, when Floyd is now the big shot and Shane wants a shot he should get it right? the same way he DIDN'T give it to Floyd when the shoe was on the other foot.. Floyd is the f*ckin truth man stop hating, give the man his respect..

1. floyd is the king of bluff. 2. people like you believe him. 3. anything deal with floyd ends with "however".

His last three moves have been genius IMO. He has been shaping this fight from the very begining. 1) His first come back fight he takes on JMM. People call him a cherry picker amongst other things. This was done for one reason to obtain better bargaining leverage at the negotiations table. He takes out JMM in pretty easy fashion thus eliminating a public demand for a PAC vs JMM III. 2) He demands RANDOM TESTING for the fight with PAC on 3/13. When PAC made it a bigger thing than originally intended he puts an * next to PACS name in many of the common fans eyes. Thus the only fighter who is possibly compared to him as the BEST OF THIS ERA in many people eyes may have cheated. Even if he didn't walking away from 40 million in comparision to just giving blood RAISED some eyebrows. 3) He keeps his demand for RANDOM TESTING and says he is going to use it in every fight going forward to "CLEAN UP BOXING" PAC announces a fight with Clottey anther TOP RANK promoted fighter for the 3/13 date. NO SUCH TESTING is required. People are leaning back towards PAC and a good fight Floyd is left in limbo with out a dance partner. (no pun intended) 4) 1/18/09 Berto with draws from match with Mosley for Jan 30th date. Now possible match up between Floyd and Mosley lands in Floyds lap. Whether it goes down on March 13th or May1st undecided. But he puts the demand out there for RANDOM DRUG TEST with an admitted ROID user. (whether he knew about it or not he did admit it sorry Shane) Floyd can ink this deal he goes one up on Manny and also eliminates another potential opponent for Manny post his 3/13 date and inches himself a little closer to cornering Manny and shifting momentum back to GBP and himself at the negotiations table. Just my take on thing gentlemen agree or disagree....Lefty I agree but I don't think Floyd had hidden intentions for Pacquiao I think he genuinely wants to secure an even battleground. Mayweather didn't have an unreasonable request so Manny should have said yes, I mean that with the thinking that Manny wants the fight too, I'm sure he does but he needs to stop reading off of Michael Koncz cue cards and make this fight. Manny is a class act, with me he is innocent until proven guilty just like the brick layer before scientists PROVED he was a cheat.

How about Texas' anti-doping program: Essentially there isn’t one. The state has the authority to demand urine testing for certain performance-enhancing substances “with probable cause,” according to TDLR spokesperson Susan Stanford. Without probable cause to suspect Pacquiao or Clottey are juiced up (neither has failed a past drug test), no drug testing is required to license the fight. Oh and EPO/urine tests in Nevada? Even if the sample is yours, Nevada doesn’t routinely test for erythropoietin (EPO) and several other potent substances that can be detected in urine using more sophisticated, more expensive, more time consuming methods. And finally: How easy is it to beat a testing program like Nevada’s? “As simple as walking across the street,” says Travis Tygart. “It’s good for PR, to give the appearance that you’re testing, but nothing more.” Defintely a good read...Lefty

This is a very good read with alot of drug experts talking. Even Goodman says some interesting things http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1540/is_pacquiaomayweather_debacle_beginning_of_change_in_boxings_drug_culture/ This is a good read and some good points inside the article you should read it....Lefty

this fight is for the welterweight Title, simple as that. Mosley wins, he is STILL the champ in the division DESPITE HIS AGE and if Floyd wins, he is the champ again at 147. There should not really be any fuss about this fight coming off. I agree with you 100% a few months ago when Mosley stepped in the ring after Mayweathers win over JMM everyone out there was screaming for this fight. I remember the interview with Mayweather on espn the Friday after that Happened....Lefty