Which is a Harsher demand? Asking for a catchweight or asking to take a blood sample?

I responded to the question and explained my position on drawing blood from Pac to Cotto losing the one pound. I only used this circumstance and no others, as these were the cases presented. You don't have to be well informed on a subject to have deep beliefs in it, thats just ridiculous. Look throughout history and tell me how amny people have been killed over inaccurate beliefs. Witch hunting, human sacrifice, crusades just to name a few.It did not hurt Miguel Cotto to lose 1lb he wasnt draining himself to make 146 the fight before and he looked sharper against Pac than he did Clottey. Would it hurt some fighter to lose that lb? Yea, but it didnt hurt Cotto. Thanks for trying though, you almost had a point except you wanted to take in every case and it was about 2 cases. damn the poll is lookin like a landslide

but you are taking one fight and making a general broadsweeping claim that has literally 1000s of cases that prove it otherwise or am I wrong that weight draining can adversly affect a fighter? Cotto is one fighter and one instance so if you wanted you should have made the point about the one specifics but wasnt JMM largely ridiculed? wasnt it shown to be nothing more than mind gaming? when you start getting into the aspect of "well in my heart" or "well in my mind" it should take education on a subject matter to convince them of something if its been mistakenly viewed much like Manny not liking taking blood now if he had a phobia or facts stating to the otherwise then I could see it you have obivously never seen or been to a training camp to act as nonchalant about weight loss as you do one lb towards the end of a camp can seem like 50 especially when you are using water weight to try and lose it. I responded to the question and explained my position on drawing blood from Pac to Cotto losing the one pound. I only used this circumstance and no others, as these were the cases presented. You don't have to be well informed on a subject to have deep beliefs in it, thats just ridiculous. Look throughout history and tell me how amny people have been killed over inaccurate beliefs. Witch hunting, human sacrifice, crusades just to name a few.It did not hurt Miguel Cotto to lose 1lb he wasnt draining himself to make 146 the fight before and he looked sharper against Pac than he did Clottey. Would it hurt some fighter to lose that lb? Yea, but it didnt hurt Cotto. Thanks for trying though, you almost had a point except you wanted to take in every case and it was about 2 cases.

Catchweight.

Mayweather did BOTH....with marquez and pacquiao. TS failed. floyd ASKED for the catchweight against marquez? YOU failed.... :nonono:

I never said he shouldn't take the test just that it would affect him more than the 1lb affected Cotto. Cotto would have looked 0% better against Pac with that extra pound. but you are taking one fight and making a general broadsweeping claim that has literally 1000s of cases that prove it otherwise or am I wrong that weight draining can adversly affect a fighter? Cotto is one fighter and one instance so if you wanted you should have made the point about the one specifics Fighters have beliefs, how are they not legitimate? I never stated they were accurate, but if it affects them mentally it still affects them. We also can't say how Marquez drinking his own urine turned out. He may have performed worse if he hadn't drank it, we dont know but wasnt JMM largely ridiculed? wasnt it shown to be nothing more than mind gaming? when you start getting into the aspect of "well in my heart" or "well in my mind" it should take education on a subject matter to convince them of something if its been mistakenly viewed much like Manny not liking taking blood now if he had a phobia or facts stating to the otherwise then I could see it When you have a whole training camp to lose one extra pound and your not even weighing in at the WW limit anyway, you're fine. Cotto was unaffected by the lb. I never said it would affect Manny physically, I said it could mentally. There has been no evidence that it affects someone mentally because its a little harder to prove. He's not from America, so for me to believe he has different beliefs than me is not incomprehensible. you have obivously never seen or been to a training camp to act as nonchalant about weight loss as you do one lb towards the end of a camp can seem like 50 especially when you are using water weight to try and lose it.

BTW in principle I agree with blanket testing but i'm enough of a realist to know that it would utterly destroy the sport. Unless we make other changes involving disbanding teh multiple belts and making one over riding authority who controls who can and cannot fight. I think it would improve the sport but it won't ever happen. Scary, right? BTW, did you see my reply on the EPO thread?

Why don't we start with Nevada? Unless there's a World Athletic Commission (WAC) that does only urine tests?BTW in principle I agree with blanket testing but i'm enough of a realist to know that it would utterly destroy the sport. Unless we make other changes involving disbanding teh multiple belts and making one over riding authority who controls who can and cannot fight. I think it would improve the sport but it won't ever happen.

WADA does blood/urine screening followed by Urine for EPO is they detect unusual patterns. But they do it for everyone who is signed with a professional body or they don't do it. Boxing doesn't have the money to test everyone. Do you believe the NSAC is capable of doing such testing for each fight?

Why don't we start with Nevada? Unless there's a World Athletic Commission (WAC) that does only urine tests?WADA does blood/urine screening followed by Urine for EPO is they detect unusual patterns. But they do it for everyone who is signed with a professional body or they don't do it. Boxing doesn't have the money to test everyone.

You missunderstand me IMDAZED, the urine test for EPO is expencive but teh cost of setting up a blood screening proceedure for every licenced boxer in the world makes EPO urine test look like a drop in the ocean. Thats why blood testing is not standard, any tom, dick or harry can take a urine sample off you, Blood sampling requires trained people. I've done urine sampleing in athe military but you bet your ass they would never let me near a syringe. Why don't we start with Nevada? Unless there's a World Athletic Commission (WAC) that does only urine tests?

You have to understand that people would super-dumb themselves just to back Pac or make Mayweather look back, There is a reason why all of the top testers in sport prefer to test for both Urine and blood samples. He actually gave no reason why both should be done for this fight. The $400 a piece is no issue in this case.

You missunderstand me IMDAZED, the urine test for EPO is expencive but teh cost of setting up a blood screening proceedure for every licenced boxer in the world makes EPO urine test look like a drop in the ocean. Thats why blood testing is not standard, any tom, dick or harry can take a urine sample off you, Blood sampling requires trained people. I've done urine sampleing in athe military but you bet your ass they would never let me near a syringe.

Did blood tests become super expensive these past couple of years? 09/2003 Believe it or not, the blood EPO test is much cheaper than the urine EPO test. The blood test costs somewhere in the ballpark of $60, whereas the urine test costs approximately $400 per test. The reason for this is that conducting the urine EPO test takes up a lot of the time of the technicians in the lab (sometimes up to two or three days) . Thus, the blood urine test can be used in situations to save money. If would be very expensive to conduct a urine EPO tests on all athletes at $400 a pop. Thus the blood EPO test can be used to determine which athletes are most likely to be on EPO, and then the urine EPO test can be administered on this smaller sub sample. For example purposes only, assume there are 100 athletes and only 1 has used EPO. It would cost $40,000 ($400 *100=$40,000) to test all of them for EPO using the urine EPO test. Instead if the blood test can be used on all the athletes to determine which 10 athletes are most likely to be EPO users, then the expensive urine test can be administered on the 10 suspect athletes and a lot of money can be saved. Combining the blood and the urine test only costs $10,000 ($60*100= $6,000 for the blood test on all the athletes and then 10 * $400= $4000 for the urine test on the 10 suspect athletes).Thus in this hypothetical example, using both the blood and urine test together would save approximately $30,000 as the blood and urine test combination costs only $10,000 versus the $40,000 it would cost to do the urine test on all the athletes. You have to understand that people would super-dumb themselves just to back Pac or make Mayweather look back, There is a reason why all of the top testers in sport prefer to test for both Urine and blood samples.

Mayweather did BOTH....with marquez and pacquiao. TS failed.

all of this blood/catchweight stuff is enough to make you sick...but one thing is for certain...floyd mayweather saw how manny pac destroyed cotto and was SHOOK....had him calling for olympic testing to check if pac is really human....lmmfao.....

As the arcticle stated, Olympic Style Drug style testing require more than just a 'sample'. That doesn't answer my question. Read it again.

I'd say agreeing to a catch weight and then not bothering to actually make the weight.

How much blood do they remove in a "sample." As the arcticle stated, Olympic Style Drug style testing require more than just a 'sample'.

How do you know this? I watched the Pacquiao fight and I also watched the Clottey fight.

I never said he shouldn't take the test just that it would affect him more than the 1lb affected Cotto. Cotto would have looked 0% better against Pac with that extra pound. How do you know this?