Steroid Allegations: Unfounded to Begin With

the330ballers16y ago

I posted this as an article on this website: (Updated) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/325088 What's up with people saying that Pacquiao has gotten so much bigger throughout his career? This is a guy who made weight at 130 the night before and rehydrated to 144. After not having to make weight, he came in at 142 for DLH and fought at 148 pounds. That's a 4 lb difference in his fight night weight. Not that big of a deal... And don't even give me that 106 lb shit cause he was 16 and PBF was 106 lbs at that age too. One minute his jumping up in weights in scrutinized. "He fought a paper champ at 135 in Diaz and a shot DLH." At one point his 8 weight class career was downsized since he started as just a kid, and completely not a big deal. At one point people even said that Pacquiao didn't carry his power up with him as he moved up in weight. He turned from a one punch knockout artist with the left hand into a combination, wear you down, fighter. He was hated on for not being able to put down this "shot DLH." Now after these steroid accusations, DLH goes back on his statements claiming that Pac was featherfisted, and claimed he must be on steroids since he hit as hard as Vargas and Mosley. His rise in the weight classes is due to steroids and all of a sudden he is "bigger and stronger" at these weight classes. See Gregg Doyel's, columnist for CBS Sports, statements regarding Pacquiao. Not Pacquiao. The bigger he gets, the older he gets (he's 31), the better he gets. He was 39-3-2 with 30 knockouts in 44 fights at weights ranging from 106 to 129½ pounds. In his past 11 fights, most of them over 130 pounds and some of them into the 140s, he is 11-0 with eight knockouts, and he has done that against some of the world's best fighters in those classes. Is it impossible for a boxer to peak at 31? Have you seen him fight lately? It has obviously been his technical skills that have helped him get by these better fighters. The 106 to 140 argument is null and doesn't even need to be recognized. (See Mayweather's career/other boxers in history, if you include their weights at 16 years old.) Doyel provides statistics comparing Pacquiao's career under 130lbs to his career over 130lbs. This author suggests that Pacquiao has more power for his weight class now that he has moved up in weight class. Based on the statistics that he provided, Pacquiao's KO percentage was 77% when he was below 130 pounds in his 39 wins compared to a 73% KO percentage in his 11 wins over 130lbs. He conveniently starts this 11 fight win streak after his Morales loss, a fight in which Pacquiao weighed 129.5. After increasing to 130, he had 7 fights at that weight, registering 4 knockouts and displaying the same knockout power that he had throughout his career. Here is where it gets interesting. In his next 4 fights, he fought at 135, 147, 140, and 145. If Doyel were to separate Pacquiao's career into to two separate career's he should have split it here (or before his Morales loss, which was also at the 130 limit. Ofcourse, that would not strengthen his argument because a 39-2-2 pre-steroid record compared to a 11-1 steroid usage argument would not convince anyone anything). His 4 latest fights at much higher weight classes are where Manny has shown tremendous improvement in his career. However, I do not believe this to be due to his increased power, but to increased skill level. He hit Diaz and De La Hoya with everything but the ring stool. Those were accumulation knock outs. His unofficial fight weights on the night of the fight never exceeded 148, only 4 lbs higher than when he would struggle to make the 130 weight class (and rehydrate to 144-see Pac-Morales III). This isn't a much stronger, powerful Pacquiao. This is a much better one. One who adjusted to Cotto and countered him with a right hook over Cotto's jab all night. One who made Hatton's "left hook, slip underneath, same move everytime," phrase famous after he executed it to perfection against him in the first round. One who counter punched a counter puncher in Juan Manuel Marquez to knock him down, instead of recklessly going after him, albeit knocking him down three times, the way he did in the first fight. And one who boxed beautifully, in and out, against De La Hoya, peppering him with shots that critics (and De La Hoya himself) originally claimed had no power behind them. This isn't a more powerful Pacquiao, but it certainly is a more skilled one. Have we forgotten the Manny Pacquiao that almost killed Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym in a super bantamweight championship fight in 1 round? That Manny Pacquiao had serious one punch knockout power. I have always said that MP at 122 had the most devastating one punch power. Looking at his hits on Miguel Cotto, I could care less if Paulie Malignaggi was hitting him with those shots, Cotto would have been banged up. What people don't understand is that his technique gives him that power. Anytime you can close the gap between you and a fighter, hit them with a clean punch and snap their ****ing head back, you will hurt them. Cotto was getting hit clean all night against Pacquiao. There are some people will raw power who dent up the bag like George Foreman. Edwin Valero punishes his opponents, even when they're blocking his punches. I can't see him carrying his punching power with him up the weight classes. Pacquiao does because, like I said, he's stepping into his punches, closing gaps ridiculously quickly, and hitting his target clean. That's gonna open up a couple cuts and dent up Cotto/De La Hoya/Diaz's face the way they did. Especially, if you land near 70 punches. (See De La Hoya round 7) So first he's downplayed, and now he's turned into Superman, for the sole purpose of creating these steroid allegations. It's horrible that people fell for this and that Mayweather Sr. was able to get away with this. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there was NO evidence against Pac for being on steroids prior to this issue being brought up. With no ties to BALCO or any suspicious trainers (and not to mention.. is still not that much bigger or powerful....), Pacquiao should not be wrongly accused of taking steroids. (What's up with Mayweather saying the Philippines has the best steroids... unfounded.) In fact, Andre Ward having that one trainer associated with steroids should put HIM in more hot water than Manny Pacquiao. (I would hate it if it did happen though, I'm from the Bay and support Dre.) In the end, the only evidence against Pacquiao taking steroids is his unwillingness to get blood tested. (<---Trust me, I'm not downplaying this. But this is the only thing that suggests he is on steroids. His unwillingness to do something he has not had to do for 40+ fights in his career, albeit not 30 million dollar paydays. Pride and routine surely factor into this. Who the hell wants to take a blood test if it makes them weaker for 3 days, especially if you have to do it 14 days before the fight. That's still in the middle of an important part of training, and there goes 3 days.... But then again, I'd do that shit for 30 mil.) Suspicious, for sure, but there is serious doubt as to whether he should have been accused in the first place. This dude isn't any bigger, doesn't punch any harder, has only improved his skills greatly to get where he's at. And now Sr.'s convinced the world otherwise..... If you told me to bet my bank account that crack head ass Mayweather Sr. would be able to convince the world something as unfounded as this... I'd be a broke motha****a right now.

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Bee_Keepz

I posted this as an article on this website: (Updated) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/325088 What's up with people saying that Pacquiao has gotten so much bigger throughout his career? This is a guy who made weight at 130 the night before and rehydrated to 144. After not having to make weight, he came in at 142 for DLH and fought at 148 pounds. That's a 4 lb difference in his fight night weight. Not that big of a deal... And don't even give me that 106 lb shit cause he was 16 and PBF was 106 lbs at that age too. One minute his jumping up in weights in scrutinized. "He fought a paper champ at 135 in Diaz and a shot DLH." At one point his 8 weight class career was downsized since he started as just a kid, and completely not a big deal. At one point people even said that Pacquiao didn't carry his power up with him as he moved up in weight. He turned from a one punch knockout artist with the left hand into a combination, wear you down, fighter. He was hated on for not being able to put down this "shot DLH." Now after these steroid accusations, DLH goes back on his statements claiming that Pac was featherfisted, and claimed he must be on steroids since he hit as hard as Vargas and Mosley. His rise in the weight classes is due to steroids and all of a sudden he is "bigger and stronger" at these weight classes. See Gregg Doyel's, columnist for CBS Sports, statements regarding Pacquiao. Is it impossible for a boxer to peak at 31? Have you seen him fight lately? It has obviously been his technical skills that have helped him get by these better fighters. The 106 to 140 argument is null and doesn't even need to be recognized. (See Mayweather's career/other boxers in history, if you include their weights at 16 years old.) Doyel provides statistics comparing Pacquiao's career under 130lbs to his career over 130lbs. This author suggests that Pacquiao has more power for his weight class now that he has moved up in weight class. Based on the statistics that he provided, Pacquiao's KO percentage was 77% when he was below 130 pounds in his 39 wins compared to a 73% KO percentage in his 11 wins over 130lbs. He conveniently starts this 11 fight win streak after his Morales loss, a fight in which Pacquiao weighed 129.5. After increasing to 130, he had 7 fights at that weight, registering 4 knockouts and displaying the same knockout power that he had throughout his career. Here is where it gets interesting. In his next 4 fights, he fought at 135, 147, 140, and 145. If Doyel were to separate Pacquiao's career into to two separate career's he should have split it here (or before his Morales loss, which was also at the 130 limit. Ofcourse, that would not strengthen his argument because a 39-2-2 pre-steroid record compared to a 11-1 steroid usage argument would not convince anyone anything). His 4 latest fights at much higher weight classes are where Manny has shown tremendous improvement in his career. However, I do not believe this to be due to his increased power, but to increased skill level. He hit Diaz and De La Hoya with everything but the ring stool. Those were accumulation knock outs. His unofficial fight weights on the night of the fight never exceeded 148, only 4 lbs higher than when he would struggle to make the 130 weight class (and rehydrate to 144-see Pac-Morales III). This isn't a much stronger, powerful Pacquiao. This is a much better one. One who adjusted to Cotto and countered him with a right hook over Cotto's jab all night. One who made Hatton's "left hook, slip underneath, same move everytime," phrase famous after he executed it to perfection against him in the first round. One who counter punched a counter puncher in Juan Manuel Marquez to knock him down, instead of recklessly going after him, albeit knocking him down three times, the way he did in the first fight. And one who boxed beautifully, in and out, against De La Hoya, peppering him with shots that critics (and De La Hoya himself) originally claimed had no power behind them. This isn't a more powerful Pacquiao, but it certainly is a more skilled one. Have we forgotten the Manny Pacquiao that almost killed Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym in a super bantamweight championship fight in 1 round? That Manny Pacquiao had serious one punch knockout power. I have always said that MP at 122 had the most devastating one punch power. Looking at his hits on Miguel Cotto, I could care less if Paulie Malignaggi was hitting him with those shots, Cotto would have been banged up. What people don't understand is that his technique gives him that power. Anytime you can close the gap between you and a fighter, hit them with a clean punch and snap their ****ing head back, you will hurt them. Cotto was getting hit clean all night against Pacquiao. There are some people will raw power who dent up the bag like George Foreman. Edwin Valero punishes his opponents, even when they're blocking his punches. I can't see him carrying his punching power with him up the weight classes. Pacquiao does because, like I said, he's stepping into his punches, closing gaps ridiculously quickly, and hitting his target clean. That's gonna open up a couple cuts and dent up Cotto/De La Hoya/Diaz's face the way they did. Especially, if you land near 70 punches. (See De La Hoya round 7) So first he's downplayed, and now he's turned into Superman, for the sole purpose of creating these steroid allegations. It's horrible that people fell for this and that Mayweather Sr. was able to get away with this. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there was NO evidence against Pac for being on steroids prior to this issue being brought up. With no ties to BALCO or any suspicious trainers (and not to mention.. is still not that much bigger or powerful....), Pacquiao should not be wrongly accused of taking steroids. (What's up with Mayweather saying the Philippines has the best steroids... unfounded.) In fact, Andre Ward having that one trainer associated with steroids should put HIM in more hot water than Manny Pacquiao. (I would hate it if it did happen though, I'm from the Bay and support Dre.) In the end, the only evidence against Pacquiao taking steroids is his unwillingness to get blood tested. (<---Trust me, I'm not downplaying this. But this is the only thing that suggests he is on steroids. His unwillingness to do something he has not had to do for 40+ fights in his career, albeit not 30 million dollar paydays. Pride and routine surely factor into this. Who the hell wants to take a blood test if it makes them weaker for 3 days, especially if you have to do it 14 days before the fight. That's still in the middle of an important part of training, and there goes 3 days.... But then again, I'd do that shit for 30 mil.) Suspicious, for sure, but there is serious doubt as to whether he should have been accused in the first place. This dude isn't any bigger, doesn't punch any harder, has only improved his skills greatly to get where he's at. And now Sr.'s convinced the world otherwise..... If you told me to bet my bank account that crack head ass Mayweather Sr. would be able to convince the world something as unfounded as this... I'd be a broke motha****a right now. Great post, but people have already jumped to conclusion.

16y ago

the330ballers

bump...

16y ago

the330ballers

Look, I am not denying the fact that him not taking the blood tests is suspicious. It is. And a proud 7 time-world champion Manny either a.) refuses to be accused of something so unfounded/insulting or b.) is taking steroids But to start this all was baseless. Ridiculous, really. But now because of Sr.'s rants we have this issue. The thing about this is, though, is that there is no doubt Pacquiao/Mayweather will fight. (I don't know why but I still think there's too much money for it not to happen. If anything, Manny could pull a Ray Leonard and not have the fight happen for awhile they way Leonard did to Hagler.) When it does happen, I don't know how it will be resolved. Will Manny bend and take the blood tests? Or will Mayweather bend and let Manny not take more than 3 tests, forever raising speculation towards Pacquiao's steroid use and giving him an excuse to hide behind if he does lose. It seems more likely that the latter is to happen, but I really do hope Manny gets his head out of his ass and takes the tests. People in this world aren't as naive as Manny think they are, most are skeptical when given reason to be. He's not innocent until proven guilty, he's guilty until proven innocent. Prove yourself innocent, Manny. For his own sake, I hope he does some random blood testing against a lesser opponent that he fights in the future. Maybe even Clottey. Get used to it. Get over it. Be ready to fight Mayweather.

16y ago

ROSS_CALIFORNIA

Any thoughts? OK, I broke down and read most of your thread and I can say I agree with you on a lot of that. There is no "definite" reason why anyone should suspect Manny is taking steroids. But his great performances as he has moved up in weight could possibly lead some to become suspicious. Everyone needs to understand that we all don't see everything in the same light. Some people are more suspicious of steroid use than others. Some people don't think of it at all. I didn't really think much about it until all this crap. If Manny had just agreed, nothing much probably would have been said about the testing. Well, maybe so because of the allegations Floyd Sr. made. But, if it wasn't for him, it might not have been discussed at all if Manny agreed. We would have said that was odd that Floyd asked for that but there wouldn't have been any huge complaints. I feel it's more of Manny's fault for making such a big deal out of this. There are no rules stating you can't ask for Olympic style drug testing, so why can't Floyd ask? Its already been pointed out that random testing blood & urine is more fool proof than any other way. Why not ask for the best fool proof way if you suspect your opponent of using steroids? Asking for additional testing isn't common but it isn't unheard of. And even if it was unheard of, why can't it be implemented, especially in this day and age of steroid use? Yeah it sucks that Floyd brought it up, but he has a right to ask for it. Its his life he's putting on the line every time he steps into the ring. Who are we to tell him he can't ask for his opponent to be tested the way he wants? Manny made a big mistake by refusing because now he looks like he has something to hide. These guys are nearly or are world figures. Its a whole different story when they are accused of roiding than if me and you were accused of it. Its even magnified ten times because Manny is making boxing history. There are going to be a lot of people that suspect him now that he has refused to take the tests. It doesn't matter why, all people know is he refused to take the tests. To avoid all that crap, he should have just taken the test to prove to the people he was clean. He doesn't have to but it would have cleared his name, he would have made 30+ Million dollars, and he would have had the chance to prove to the world he is in fact the #1 P4P fighter in the world. Of course not everyone wants to look at it like this, but this is the most logical way to look at it because Manny wouldn't have had the problems he has now. If anyone thinks he has no problems now because of his decision, they are sadly mistaking.

16y ago

Carpe_Diem

Yep. The man who cheated and lied to his wife would never lie to YOU. He has never done any of these things. He's just as 100% honest as Floyd, and every other athletes out there.

16y ago

bojangles1987

Any thoughts? I agree with pretty much everything, Pac does not have KO power now he didn't have at lower weights, at lower weights he put people down with one shot plenty. When has he done that at 130+ except for Hatton, where he just landed a perfect shot? Just look at what he rehydrated to when he was at 130, the guy was a welterweight when he stepped in the ring. An argument is often made to look at the muscle definition now, but wouldn't it make sense that if Pac doesn't have to spend as much time cutting to make an uncomfortable weight he can spend more time on toning muscle? That also explains why he can take shots at higher weights. Really, there was never anything except Mayweather Sr. running off at the mouth, and somehow that has made this a legit issue. There is nothing about Pacquiao's success that can't be explained easily without PEDs. It isn't out of the question, no one should be surprised about anyone being busted for PEDs anymore, but until there is something more than the Mayweathers being jealous and talking, I have no reason to suspect Pac of anything.

16y ago

shadeyfizzle

People with nothing to hide don't run from tests. Especially for $40 million. Some people's integrity cannot be bought at any price.

16y ago

the330ballers

Any thoughts?

16y ago

the330ballers

Very good post. I'll give you pts if you value it. :) Thanks man. I don't really care about the points really. You can give me "karma" or something even though I dunno how any of that works or what it does......

16y ago

miron_lang

What's up with people saying that Pacquiao has gotten so much bigger throughout his career? This is a guy who made weight at 130 the night before and rehydrated to 144. After not having to make weight, he came in at 142 for DLH and fought at 148 pounds. That's a 4 lb difference in his fight night weight. Not that big of a deal... And don't even give me that 106 lb shit cause he was 16 and PBF was 106 lbs at that age too. One minute his jumping up in weights in scrutinized. "He fought a paper champ at 135 in Diaz and a shot DLH." At one point his 8 weight class career was downsized since he started as just a kid, and completely not a big deal. At one point people even said that Pacquiao didn't carry his power up with him as he moved up in weight. He turned from a one punch knockout artist with the left hand into a combination, wear you down, fighter. He was hated on for not being able to put down this "shot DLH." Now after these steroid accusations, DLH goes back on his statements claiming that Pac was featherfisted, and claimed he must be on steroids since he hit as hard as Vargas and Mosley. His rise in the weight classes is due to steroids and all of a sudden he is "bigger and stronger" at these weight classes. See Gregg Doyel's, columnist for CBS Sports, statements regarding Pacquiao. Is it impossible for a boxer to peak at 31? Have you seen him fight lately? It has obviously been his technical skills that have helped him get by these better fighters. The 106 to 140 argument is null and doesn't even need to be recognized. (See Mayweather's career, a million other boxers in history, if you include there weights at 16yo.) And this author suggests that Pacquiao has more power for his weight class now that he has moved up in weight class. Have we forgotten the Manny Pacquiao that almost killed that Thai fighter in a super bantamweight championship fight in 1 round? That Manny Pacquiao had serious one punch knockout power. I have always said that MP at 122 had the most devastating one punch power. Looking at his hits on Miguel Cotto, I could care less if Paulie Malignaggi was hitting him with those shots, Cotto would have been banged up. What you don't understand is that his technique gives him that power. Anytime you can close the gap between you and a fighter, hit them with a clean punch and snap their ****ing head back, you will hurt them. Cotto was getting hit clean all night against Pacquiao. So first he's downplayed, and now he's turned into Superman, for the sole purpose of creating these steroid allegations. It's horrible that people fell for this and that Mayweather Sr. was able to get away with this. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there was NO evidence against Pac for being on steroids prior to this issue being brought up. With no ties to BALCO or any suspicious trainers (and not to mention.. is still not that much bigger or powerful....), Pacquiao should not be wrongly accused of taking steroids. (What's up with Mayweather saying the Philippines has the best steroids... unfounded.) In fact, Andre Ward having that one trainer associated with steroids should put HIM in more hot water than Manny Pacquiao. (I would hate it if it did happen though, I'm from the Bay and support Dre.) In the end, the only evidence against Pacquiao taking steroids is his unwillingness to get blood tested. (<---Trust me, I'm not downplaying this. But this is the only thing that suggests he is on steroids. His unwillingness to do something he has not had to do for 40+ fights in his career, albeit not 30 million dollar paydays. Pride and routine surely factor into this. Who the hell wants to take a blood test if it makes them weaker for 3 days, especially if you have to do it 14 days before the fight. That's still in the middle of an important part of training, and there goes 3 days.... But then again, I'd do that shit for 30 mil.) Suspicious, for sure, but there is serious doubt as to whether he should have been accused in the first place. This dude isn't any bigger, doesn't punch any harder, has only improved his skills greatly to get where he's at. And now Sr.'s convinced the world otherwise..... If you told me to bet my bank account that crack head ass Mayweather Sr. would be able to convince the world something as unfounded as this... I'd be a broke motha****a right now. Very good post. I'll give you pts if you value it. :)

16y ago

ALG_United

What's up with people saying that Pacquiao has gotten so much bigger throughout his career? This is a guy who made weight at 130 the night before and rehydrated to 144. After not having to make weight, he came in at 142 for DLH and fought at 148 pounds. That's a 4 lb difference in his fight night weight. Not that big of a deal... And don't even give me that 106 lb shit cause he was 16 and PBF was 106 lbs at that age too. One minute his jumping up in weights in scrutinized. "He fought a paper champ at 135 in Diaz and a shot DLH." At one point his 8 weight class career was downsized since he started as just a kid, and completely not a big deal. At one point people even said that Pacquiao didn't carry his power up with him as he moved up in weight. He turned from a one punch knockout artist with the left hand into a combination, wear you down, fighter. He was hated on for not being able to put down this "shot DLH." Now after these steroid accusations, DLH goes back on his statements claiming that Pac was featherfisted, and claimed he must be on steroids since he hit as hard as Vargas and Mosley. His rise in the weight classes is due to steroids and all of a sudden he is "bigger and stronger" at these weight classes. See Gregg Doyel's, columnist for CBS Sports, statements regarding Pacquiao. Is it impossible for a boxer to peak at 31? Have you seen him fight lately? It has obviously been his technical skills that have helped him get by these better fighters. The 106 to 140 argument is null and doesn't even need to be recognized. (See Mayweather's career, a million other boxers in history, if you include there weights at 16yo.) And this author suggests that Pacquiao has more power for his weight class now that he has moved up in weight class. Have we forgotten the Manny Pacquiao that almost killed that Thai fighter in a super bantamweight championship fight in 1 round? That Manny Pacquiao had serious one punch knockout power. I have always said that MP at 122 had the most devastating one punch power. Looking at his hits on Miguel Cotto, I could care less if Paulie Malignaggi was hitting him with those shots, Cotto would have been banged up. What you don't understand is that his technique gives him that power. Anytime you can close the gap between you and a fighter, hit them with a clean punch and snap their ****ing head back, you will hurt them. Cotto was getting hit clean all night against Pacquiao. So first he's downplayed, and now he's turned into Superman, for the sole purpose of creating these steroid allegations. It's horrible that people fell for this and that Mayweather Sr. was able to get away with this. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there was NO evidence against Pac for being on steroids prior to this issue being brought up. With no ties to BALCO or any suspicious trainers (and not to mention.. is still not that much bigger or powerful....), Pacquiao should not be wrongly accused of taking steroids. (What's up with Mayweather saying the Philippines has the best steroids... unfounded.) In fact, Andre Ward having that one trainer associated with steroids should put HIM in more hot water than Manny Pacquiao. (I would hate it if it did happen though, I'm from the Bay and support Dre.) In the end, the only evidence against Pacquiao taking steroids is his unwillingness to get blood tested. (<---Trust me, I'm not downplaying this. But this is the only thing that suggests he is on steroids. His unwillingness to do something he has not had to do for 40+ fights in his career, albeit not 30 million dollar paydays. Pride and routine surely factor into this. Who the hell wants to take a blood test if it makes them weaker for 3 days, especially if you have to do it 14 days before the fight. That's still in the middle of an important part of training, and there goes 3 days.... But then again, I'd do that shit for 30 mil.) Suspicious, for sure, but there is serious doubt as to whether he should have been accused in the first place. This dude isn't any bigger, doesn't punch any harder, has only improved his skills greatly to get where he's at. And now Sr.'s convinced the world otherwise..... If you told me to bet my bank account that crack head ass Mayweather Sr. would be able to convince the world something as unfounded as this... I'd be a broke motha****a right now. Good post man, they were just underestimating manny's skill at this point of his career. Manny has always had that tremendous stamina, always had that speed and he always fight in an awkward way and that i should say is one of his strength. And now through years of training with freddy, roach was able to make manny be more confident on his right fist, moves with his feet more, has more variety with his punches and more importantly he has improved a lot with his defence but at the same time have trained himself to be more punch resistant..

16y ago

MrEvol

I read the whole post. nice post alot of good points and i agree with you man. Will Im killing alot time here at work this thread.

16y ago

ROSS_CALIFORNIA

Who the **** are you Thomas Jefferson? That shit was long as **** ain't nobody gonna read all that. It's like the ****ing Bible or some shit. hahahaha No shiiit. I read the first paragraph then scrolled down to see how much was left and said "hell no, I'm not reading all of that". lol

16y ago

the330ballers

Who the **** are you Thomas Jefferson? That shit was long as **** ain't nobody gonna read all that. It's like the ****ing Bible or some shit. LOL I really didn't mean to write that much I just went off. Ive been following this steroid thing for days and havent said shit.....

16y ago