If Henry Armstrong were alive and fighting today

Btw, I'm still waiting on why you think if HA were alive today, he'd just immediately cave in to these demands. Im actually waiting for you to respond to my post properly and not take one sentence and attempt to run with it while ignoring my entire argument, which is if Armstrong fought today, boxing of today would dictate alot of his desicions. Not to mention, even if he moved up, at some point one or two of the organizations would force a mandatory within 3 or 5 months of his winning a title. Also, if hes the undisputed king of each division, that means hes holding multiple alphabet titles, hed be forced to vacate at some point. Hed also be getting challanges from everyone from the 3-6 divisions his titles are spanning, he would likely do what i said hed do, which is vacate and take the biggest money fights out there. Thats why i told you youre topic is revisionst garbage veiled at attacking mayweather, when everyone plays the same exact game. Back in henrys time, you fought youre way through a division, you fought a guy like Eder Jofre or a Barney Ross and you became king of that division. Nowadays, you take on a beltholder and you are champion, and even champions who are kings of specific divisions, dont even have to fight you if they are taking a big money fight in another division, certain belt organizations let you keep a fukking belt without even defending it, in some cases for YEARS, (Tszyu, De La Hoya and now Pac at 140). Pac is king of 140 by fighting hatton, thats a good win, but is he planning on defending that title while guys like timothy bradley are in waiting? Fukk no, because bradley isnt with top rank and there is very little money in that fight. Even the man you love so much mayweather jr was a victim of this at 140, when the only beltholder willing to fight him was vivian harris and he got knocked out on the very same undercard. He had force a mandatory with gatti, who was doing everything he could not to fight him. If it wasnt for that, mayweather likely might not have ever gotten a belt at 140 since tszyu got tied up with hatton, and even when hatton didint have that fight going, hatton wanted no part of mayweather by his own admission of "not being ready" THATS TODAYS BOXING ENVOIRMENT. and everyone plays by the same fukking rules. So please stop pretending like you are drawing this great parallel between the past and the present, you barely understand the present and youre historical knowledge on the sport is spotty at best, much like youre arguments.

In Hanks' time, one title in each division. If you won the title you were the man. In Manny's time, 4 titles in each division. Bit different. What does it matter who he beat? :lol1: Ok so If someone beats David Diaz for a piece of the Lightweight title, and someone else beats Lou Ambers for the undisputed title, the whole thing, isn't the latter accomplishment more impressive. Listen I am no brainless Floyd worshipper, a fan of Floyd yes, but a fan of boxing and a boxer myself. I know Floyd makes mistakes and I don't ride his dick. The demands aren't that outrageous. HA was a real fighter, what I mean by real is fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. Like I said the guy sometimes didn't eat a damn meal before he fought when he was poor, taking a blood test 2 weeks before would be like, wtf, who cares? I've already said what you're telling me, but you're saying it doesn't matter because of the quality of his competition in those victories. So tell me what you think about his wins against the competition he won his titles at 140 and up? Are you saying Floyds win in his title fights are less because of who the opponent was? I hope so as it would only be fair to what you're calling Manny out on. and yes, the demands are outrageous. Never, ever has Floyd cared about the integrity of his bouts or how they are conducted. For all of the serious challenges to him in the last five years, there has always been an excuse as to not take on that challenge. This sudden demand, based on speculation with no absolute proof or evidence, is outrageous. There is no reason for it. If you believe so, you have to rule all of Floyds fights under the NSAC as "no contest". Btw, I'm still waiting on why you think if HA were alive today, he'd just immediately cave in to these demands.

I don't think HA would have refused blood tests if it meant a shot/payday at Floyd Mayweather. Armstrong fought some of his early fights after travelling around for days with little or no food, a blood test 2 weeks before the damn fight would mean 0 to him. Guess what he would do if he was fighting today? Well he would probably have won his first title at 122 with day before weigh ins, but then as he filled out would have moved up won a title at 126, 130, 135 there would be no need to go above 135 for Armstrong, he was never weighing more than early 140's even when fighting as a MW, but he probably would have gone even higher up the scale in search of bigger fights. Henry was a special fighter. And it is a joke to compare the two. Who did Manny beat for the WW title, Miguel Cotto (very good fighter) after having already come through LW etc. Well Henry Armstrong beat Barney Ross (ATG), after jumping straight from 126 and being outweighed by some ridiculous amount. Henry was much smaller than Manny also, he was weighing low 140's on the day of the fight even fighting as a MW. He weighed 133 claiming the WW title from Ross. 133 pounds, winning the WW title. Think about it. So, you're saying winning a titles in 3 divisions in a span of 18 months, is not comparable to winning 3 titles in 3 divisions in a year? What does it matter who he beat for the title? He did in fact beat the person who held the title did he not? I don't see you or others giving Floyd stick for winning titles against Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, and a part time and aged fighter in DLH. You cats love to spout that he did in fact, "beat the champion at that time". Now you're trying to backtrack from that line of thinking? But please do expand further on your knowledge of HA and why he would just cave in to someones outrageous demands that nobody else goes through? He was a punisher in the ring, but a walkover outside of it? I don't believe that. If HA was doing today what he was doing then in comparison to Floyd, he'd be a bigger star who would have more negotiating power, just as Manny does today.

I don't think HA would have refused blood tests if it meant a shot/payday at Floyd Mayweather. Armstrong fought some of his early fights after travelling around for days with little or no food, a blood test 2 weeks before the damn fight would mean 0 to him. Guess what he would do if he was fighting today? Well he would probably have won his first title at 122 with day before weigh ins, but then as he filled out would have moved up won a title at 126, 130, 135 there would be no need to go above 135 for Armstrong, he was never weighing more than early 140's even when fighting as a MW, but he probably would have gone even higher up the scale in search of bigger fights. Henry was a special fighter. And it is a joke to compare the two. Who did Manny beat for the WW title, Miguel Cotto (very good fighter) after having already come through LW etc. Well Henry Armstrong beat Barney Ross (ATG), after jumping straight from 126 and being outweighed by some ridiculous amount. Henry was much smaller than Manny also, he was weighing low 140's on the day of the fight even fighting as a MW. He weighed 133 claiming the WW title from Ross. 133 pounds, winning the WW title. Think about it. Yepp Henry Armstrong was a special fighter. But if they fought and he fought Manny right now, then Manny would be a bit bigger. But a couple years ago at 130, they would be the same size, and a couple years before that Manny would be smaller by a bit.

Armstrong won some of his title being outweighed by 15 or more lbs, he fought for the MW title at 142 lbs FFS, and he never, ever asked for any absurd catchweights and I doubt he would have refused blood tests either. Manny being compared to Henry is an utter joke. thats when you KNOW that your an idiot and your a HATER. Pacquiao only has ONE catch weight and it was only 1 pd less than what cotto weighed against Clottey. The De La Hoya fight, De la Hoya made him come up 12 pds while De La Hoya dropped 3 pds from his fight with Forbes. MEANWHILE Mayweather made Marquez come up but didn't want to come in the weight agreed. Manny being compared to Henry is what should be talked about because Manny moves up and wins just LIKE HENRY did so i dont see how comparing Manny to Henry is a Joke unless your a joke yourself and a selfish lil hater that cant see the success of one of Boxing Modern GREATS.

Mayweather crowd and Thread :thinking: You want to know whats really interesting? Why is he even reading my posts, when he has had me on ignore? There was a time I couldn't even respond to his threads, and he said he liked it that way. So, why is he in mine again? Perhaps I should throw my weight around in my own thread and ignore him too? I don't go into peoples threads I have on ignore, you know why? I don't care about their opinions.

He said he didn't care about what the thread was about, so why read the rest? Mayweather crowd and Thread :thinking:

Very asshole of you. That is all you read right? He said he didn't care about what the thread was about, so why read the rest?

So then, why are you posting in here? The question was laid out specifically. Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off. Take your pick. Very asshole of you. That is all you read right?

So then, why are you posting in here? The question was laid out specifically. Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off. Take your pick. I answer youre question and you ignore the entire post. What kind of bullsh!t is that? Like i said, i dont care what the mayweather mafia, or the mayweather fans or whoever think, i dont represent them, i only represent myself. I gave you my opinion and i told you, if you really want real answers to youre question post it in the history section, i gave you the best answer i could give. Taking one sentence and then trying to steer this into some slippery slope is a bush league tactic and definitely a reflection on youre inability to sustain a legitimate discussion.

I dont care what the "mayweather crowd" would accuse Armstrong of. . So then, why are you posting in here? The question was laid out specifically. Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off. Take your pick.

It may not be what it was before, but would the Mayweather crowd accuse Henry Armstrong of steroids if he had a Pac like ascension? Its not really a hard question to answer seeing as how Manny Pacquiao is indeed a 7 division titlist, the last 3 divisional titles coming in the last 18 months, and Henry Armstrong was a 3 division champ at the same time. So, again, how about answering the question instead of trying to just dismiss it as idealistic revisionism? I dont care what the "mayweather crowd" would accuse Armstrong of. If Armstrong was american and if he lived through the steroid era in baseball and so many other sports, he would know that he would be under a microscope to take the tests to prove his innocence. What happened when Mcguire said "im not here to talk about the past". What happened? He was indicted by court of public opinion instantly and he never tested positive for anything ever. Pac can do what hes doing because he has an entire country behind him. Its not like the phillipines has a long history of top level atheletes using PED's, thus even the idea of him taking random blood tests, if he doesnt approve, his country will stand behind that no matter what because hes a national hero. But in america we dont give a fukk about that because if we did, wed do everything we could to cover up when sosa, bonds and the others got caught up like they did. Or Floyd Landis testing positive when he did as well. The fact is, if lance armstrong would have said no to the rigerous testing that the french put him through, im talking they really woke up him up in the early AM to test him, then we would be raising questions about him as well. But he didint do that, he took the damn tests. Like i said, the envoirment for the sport of boxing and sports period is not what it was before. Also, if you really want good answers on this subject, you need to post this in the history section. I stand by what i said, this entire thread is flawed, you arent taking in the conditions of todays envoirment. If you want to turn this into one of youre veiled windups at mayweather fans, then i see why you posted this here and not the history section. Thats the only purpose you serve here.

lol i always laugh at these idealistic revisionist topics. If armstrong were alive today he would likely, if not more than likely adhere to the current ad-hoc structure of fights today. Which is build a name, structure a fanbase, take mega fights and weigh in on risk reward. Unlike fighters of yesteryear, where great fighters in some instances were only contenders and never champions, every contender in todays era can grab a piece of a title and be called a "X time champion" as if it is the same comparison in the era of yesteryear, where ALI being a multiple time champion, when there was really only one champion, meant something. You got guys who move up through divisions, taking on garbage beltholder contenders and becoming champions. In some instances, its either the contender or the main champion who decides not to adhere to a title shot because they themselves are weighing risk and reward. Most of you in this thread commenting are discussing a hypothetical without factoring in that boxing today is not what it was before, if those same champions lived today, theyd be playing by the rules we have today, not the rules of yesteryear. What promoter in their right mind would do what fighters did before? like fighting 4 times a month, or defending their title 12 times in a year in todays era? Not that i expect that from alot of you since most of you hear a historical name on HBO, google him, then pretend to actually be able to correlate todays era with yesterdays. This concept is flawed on about 50 ends. It may not be what it was before, but would the Mayweather crowd accuse Henry Armstrong of steroids if he had a Pac like ascension? Its not really a hard question to answer seeing as how Manny Pacquiao is indeed a 7 division titlist, the last 3 divisional titles coming in the last 18 months, and Henry Armstrong was a 3 division champ at the same time. So, again, how about answering the question instead of trying to just dismiss it as idealistic revisionism?

lol i always laugh at these idealistic revisionist topics. If armstrong were alive today he would likely, if not more than likely adhere to the current ad-hoc structure of fights today. Which is build a name, structure a fanbase, take mega fights and weigh in on risk reward. Unlike fighters of yesteryear, where great fighters in some instances were only contenders and never champions, every contender in todays era can grab a piece of a title and be called a "X time champion" as if it is the same comparison in the era of yesteryear, where ALI being a multiple time champion, when there was really only one champion, meant something. You got guys who move up through divisions, taking on garbage beltholder contenders and becoming champions. In some instances, its either the contender or the main champion who decides not to adhere to a title shot because they themselves are weighing risk and reward. Most of you in this thread commenting are discussing a hypothetical without factoring in that boxing today is not what it was before, if those same champions lived today, theyd be playing by the rules we have today, not the rules of yesteryear. What promoter in their right mind would do what fighters did before? like fighting 4 times a month, or defending their title 12 times in a year in todays era? Not that i expect that from alot of you since most of you hear a historical name on HBO, google him, then pretend to actually be able to correlate todays era with yesterdays. This concept is flawed on about 50 ends.

Just shut up. just shut up....... You had me at FLOMOS...... You had me at FLOMOS. :sombrero:

interesting thread...i wonder what excuse floyd would use not to fight Armstrong The interesting part is, not many flomos will even take that approach to Henry Armstrong, and I think you and I know why.

now i know why i came in second for that award.... I guess all these fighters in this history thread are cheating scumbags; http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342904 Truthfully, its been an honor to even be mentioned in the same breath as you. I see your posts and often think its something I could have written, but didn't. You make me step up my game.

And a stupid one Pacquiao ass licker. You jump on Pac fan. for being stupid. I do the same to Flomos. and fight now youre being hella stupid..

If Armstrong, Jimmy McClarnin (who was started close to the flyweight limit and IMO became top 5 WW), and Freddy Steele (who started at 105lbs to Middleweight and is a top 10 MW of all time) were fighting today a lot of people would of been accusing them of taking banned substance.

The steroid rumours were basically started by Mayweather's team. So if Armstrong was about to fight Mayweather, considering he would've gone from a champion at featherweight to welterweight, they would probably ask him, too.