How does EPO help Manny in his fight with Floyd?

I gotch ya. Well first off no one knows if Pac is on anything and even if he was taking PED's who is to say that he was specifically on EPO's. Hypothetical's here: But what baseline are we going under. Are you going off the premise that Pac was never on EPO and will start to use it against PBF. Then the differential from Pac's current incredible stamina, work-rate and durability and the improvement might not be that important. But if you enlarge the scope and go off the baseline and just hypothesize that he has been on EPO since (I don't know) 135lbs. Then his not continuation of taking it would result in........Not carrying his speed at WW as much (slower), lower work rate and decreased stamina and power. and there lies the problem. If he has been on EPO and stopped taking it his speed and power would still be the same and only his stamina/work rate would be affected. Also his hatton, cotto, Diaz and Marquez II fights were slow paced compared to all his past fights. Manny hasn't won a fight by overwhelming or outworking his opponents in years and actually fights a slower more controlled type of fight. If really had been taking that he would be pushing harder in fights to make them higher paced but the opposite has happened if you follow his last 5-6 fights. BTW I said I wouldn't be responding to this thread but you seem like a good poster. The other guys in this thread lack intelligence and my points clearly went over there head.

Of course PED can help you....Im not saying that. Of course EPO can help pac, but my question is how will it help him against Floyd. How does increased stamina help either fighter in this fight, when everyone know this will be a slow paced fight and not a brawl. Yeah if this was Marquez vs Diaz, Williams vs Martinez or another faced paced, action packed fight then yeah an edge in stamina may help. But this fight is far from that.... BTW I wont be responding to this thread. This isn't about If PED will help, but How EPO would help Pac in his fight with Floyd. People keep bring up all PED when I clearly narrowed down one (EPO) and if it would help in this fight. duck much????? lol!

Of course PED can help you....Im not saying that. Of course EPO can help pac, but my question is how will it help him against Floyd. How does increased stamina help either fighter in this fight, when everyone know this will be a slow paced fight and not a brawl. Yeah if this was Marquez vs Diaz, Williams vs Martinez or another faced paced, action packed fight then yeah an edge in stamina may help. But this fight is far from that.... BTW I wont be responding to this thread. This isn't about If PED will help, but How EPO would help Pac in his fight with Floyd. People keep bring up all PED when I clearly narrowed down one (EPO) and if it would help in this fight. I gotch ya. Well first off no one knows if Pac is on anything and even if he was taking PED's who is to say that he was specifically on EPO's. Hypothetical's here: But what baseline are we going under. Are you going off the premise that Pac was never on EPO and will start to use it against PBF. Then the differential from Pac's current incredible stamina, work-rate and durability and the improvement might not be that important. But if you enlarge the scope and go off the baseline and just hypothesize that he has been on EPO since (I don't know) 135lbs. Then his not continuation of taking it would result in........Not carrying his speed at WW as much (slower), lower work rate and decreased stamina and power.

I'm not saying that Pac is on anything.......but premise of the OP is kinda crazy. They are called Performance ENHANCING Drugs for a reason. They help guys performer better. This isn't a video game where a guy's stats can only reach 100. Anyone....ANYONE could improve with PED's. Of course PED can help you....Im not saying that. Of course EPO can help pac, but my question is how will it help him against Floyd. How does increased stamina help either fighter in this fight, when everyone know this will be a slow paced fight and not a brawl. Yeah if this was Marquez vs Diaz, Williams vs Martinez or another faced paced, action packed fight then yeah an edge in stamina may help. But this fight is far from that.... BTW I wont be responding to this thread. This isn't about If PED will help, but How EPO would help Pac in his fight with Floyd. People keep bring up all PED when I clearly narrowed down one (EPO) and if it would help in this fight.

I'm not saying that Pac is on anything.......but premise of the OP is kinda crazy. They are called Performance ENHANCING Drugs for a reason. They help guys performer better. This isn't a video game where a guy's stats can only reach 100. Anyone....ANYONE could improve with PED's.

and as far as the peak i was mentioning.....Pac, Floyd and Paul Williams have always had the best stamina in the game. Even when Pac lost to Morales and even earlier in his career his stamina was there. So why would he want to increase that peak (at the risk of damaging his health) when it's already better than anyone elses out there. to give you another analogy...why would lebron james takes PED's to increase his vertical, when he naturally can outjump 99% of the people in the league. Pac's great stamina is all natural as seen as him showing it early on in his career. your analogy sucks bigtime, how would you know le james did'nt take any drugs during his freshman years? dont you know drugs are being used even in high school?

Most haters are just grasping. The funny thing is that EPO is tested by urine and not blood. what is found in the blood that indicates a fighter has been using epo? what is found in the urine that indicates a fighter has been using epo?

Perhaps, it would be a better idea finding out how well EPO helped Shane against Oscar. Did Shane show signs of stamina problems in the past before meeting Oscar?

and as far as the peak i was mentioning.....Pac, Floyd and Paul Williams have always had the best stamina in the game. Even when Pac lost to Morales and even earlier in his career his stamina was there. So why would he want to increase that peak (at the risk of damaging his health) when it's already better than anyone elses out there. to give you another analogy...why would lebron james takes PED's to increase his vertical, when he naturally can outjump 99% of the people in the league. Pac's great stamina is all natural as seen as him showing it early on in his career.

Lets compare the fights Manny has won by using his superior speed and power vs. his wins where he outworked his opponent (like a Paul Williams) again....nice try Ok i'll explain it to you my own experience, i admit i use EPO on a daily basis. what i notice was when sometimes i forgot to use it, my wife nags & complains.

dude i wont call you dumb but your post is some stupid shit. EPO along with a variety of other PEDs are PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS! keyword "PERFORMANCE" why do you think baseball players to cyclists to track and field to ufc to basketball and on and on take these? it gives them a competitive edge. Guess what that peak you talk about is the reason these people use performance enhancers it makes them better than they will ever be naturally. I won't argue that...but why EPO (a stamina booster). I'm not saying PED's, wont help because they obviously will, but again why EPO? This fight will be a slow pace fight and not an action packed brawl with both guys trading. So how does stamina play apart in this? Floyd's style won't allow for this to be a fast paced fight.....that's what I'm saying. If Pac wins, it will be because he hurts Floyd with his power or lands good shots on him. BTW even if Pac caught a second wind....that would only be a factor if Floyd was tired or slowing down when that happened. Floyd has never showed signs of fatigue in any of his fight, so whatever pac brought in the stamina department, Floyd would match it. So again...stamina will not be the deciding factor in this fight....hence the use of EPO is pointless.

It just improves stamina. Stamina will not be the deciding factor in this fight, as both are two of the best conditioned athletes in boxing. Now if this was a sport such as running, bicycling etc (where stamina is the main thing that helps you win) then I would agree. and as far as your last point....nice try but dumb analogy. You must have never played sports because if you did then you would know there is such thing as a "PeaK". Once you reach it then exceding it does more damage then good. So yeah if you already bench than much and squat that much, taking roid wont help you much unless your a body builder. Nice try though.... dude i wont call you dumb but your post is some stupid shit. EPO along with a variety of other PEDs are PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS! keyword "PERFORMANCE" why do you think baseball players to cyclists to track and field to ufc to basketball and on and on take these? it gives them a competitive edge. Guess what that peak you talk about is the reason these people use performance enhancers it makes them better than they will ever be naturally.

No one knows for certain if he is on or is not on EPO until he is tested. What EPO may do for him is allow him to get a second wind if necessary, particularly if he must increase his activity in punch output without gassing out as quickly. It is a performance enhancer. It will enhance his attributes. At least, that's my view of why he may be on it. He could be on something else not easily detectable at the moment.

you just Answered your question, EPOquiao wins fight because of EPO, PERIOD! Lets compare the fights Manny has won by using his superior speed and power vs. his wins where he outworked his opponent (like a Paul Williams) again....nice try

You can't be this dumb. EPO is a Performance ENHANCER. Which means it takes what you can do..and ENHANCES IT. WTF? So I can already bench 395lbs and squat well over 600...Roids wont help me because Im already strong? It just improves stamina. Stamina will not be the deciding factor in this fight, as both are two of the best conditioned athletes in boxing. Now if this was a sport such as running, bicycling etc (where stamina is the main thing that helps you win) then I would agree. and as far as your last point....nice try but dumb analogy. You must have never played sports because if you did then you would know there is such thing as a "PeaK". Once you reach it then exceding it does more damage then good. So yeah if you already bench than much and squat that much, taking roid wont help you much unless your a body builder. Nice try though....

you just Answered your question, EPOquiao wins fight because of EPO, PERIOD! pac must have beeb using epo when he was 18 cause he was already ****in tazmanian devil back then..

the tests we're basically gamesmanship by floyd trying to impose his will on pac and I can't believe that this got so out of control.. Oh well life moves on..

you just Answered your question, EPOquiao wins fight because of EPO, PERIOD!

1st steroids then HGH then EPO.. LMAO... pac should go ahead with clottey and fight the winner of mosley-berto then call it a day.. **** floyd..

People have repeatedly accused Manny of using this on this board, but how does a stamina booster help Manny (one of the sports already best conditioned athletes) in his fight with Floyd? Also Stamina will not be the deciding factor in this fight for either fighter. Both have never shown any signs of fatigue in any of there fights, so to make to bring this up as a reason for random testing is foolish. Now if you want to accuse him of another PED, then do so, but EPO will not benefit manny one bit in his training leading up to fighting Floyd. BTW..Manny using EPO is as stupid as Paul Williams using EPO. Why? because both have stamina that is already head and shoulders above anyone they will face. Most haters are just grasping. The funny thing is that EPO is tested by urine and not blood.