Floyd Mayweather vs. Ray Robinson.

Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others Ray and this era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. The Carlos era were able to protect the body with 1 hand while punching to the body. along with all the other advances in movement, along with being way smoother in movements the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing. ​

Around 97% of Floyd's fight's were against dudes his size or smaller. The outliers include a Dela Hoya on his way out (SD win) and a green drained Canelo (MD win). Both these two are significantly way smaller, less skilled, less accomplished than Robinson. Robinson by KO. If Floyd hadn't ducked Williams, we might see some glimpses as to how he would operate against 6ft boxer dudes. Floyd don't take risks like that. Never :rolleyes:

Mosley is not as technical as Floyd. Mosley allowed Vernon to measure him by holding his jab out. Mosley couldn't adjust to save his life. Floyd is one of the best at adjusting. He would zap Forest's energy with those jabs to the body he normally used to fold taller fighters. Floyd vs cotto like i said above was one of his most impressive adjustments, he was using all these uppercuts and wide looping shots around the guard and he never (or super rarely) threw those shots before. His reflects were crazy for his age too, he was slipping Cottos uppercuts on the inside and if you watch it in slow motion he pulls his head back as soon as he sees cottos arm dip below to throw the uppercut. If you watch any of his defense highlights really he is always starting his slip before they actually throw and just predicting it based on their relative body positions which leaves his opponent with a pretty predictable shot of what they are about to throw.

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc.... Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite. BUT......... Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once. Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance. He would tie up Hearns and bang him inside. Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times.... I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming. I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him. Theres two strategies to beat floyd, a swarmer style and a boxer style, those were all his closest fights. The swarmers castillo and maidana got the closest. cant be sloppy though and have to have some odd angles to get around him. maidana did a lot of smart things, kept his feet wide when floyd was on the ropes to trap him there and threw odd overhand looping shots that went around floyd's guard. The boxers, the all won a few rounds at most with the jab but floyd always adapted to them. DLH, Judah, Cotto, all won some rounds with a jab. But it wasnt enough. Floyd did some great work with Cotto, he was using his wide looping right hand and upper cuts to get around cottos tight guard, those are punches he rarely or never threw before just all of a sudden had them ready for cotto. Hearns was very quick and a very good jab, he was up on points outboxing SRL, he definately fits into style 2 and floyd will have to be very cautious of the right hand, he will win more than a few rounds at least. Winky would have won some rounds against floyd too. I think he would be too predictable though and Floyd would find a way around his guard. His guard is crazy good though, his forearms are abnormally long allowing him to guard his face and body really well at the same time.

See I agree with you here. Vernon that fought Mosely beats any version of Floyd. I think he was a more complete boxer than Hearns. Mosley is not as technical as Floyd. Mosley allowed Vernon to measure him by holding his jab out. Mosley couldn't adjust to save his life. Floyd is one of the best at adjusting. He would zap Forest's energy with those jabs to the body he normally used to fold taller fighters.

robinson by ko I argee he would be koed way to outdated looks like a novice

only crazy idiots who never watched full matches picked Ray on all sites he looks like.Louis really stiff basic and slow would be destroyed floyd fought people way more advanced then him as early as his first 2 matches

Floyd's got more skills, but SRR is just too big. SRR by KO.

Robinson can beat PBF by decision, but not by KO or TKO. hav u seen small JMM landing flush on PBF's jaw? u think ray when he was the one landing those, PBF would've stayed erect? @ 147?

I see some similarities between Kid Gavilan and Ray Leonard though and Robinson beat Gavilan decisively in their second fight. He didn't just fight "short sluggers". Unfortunately his fights against the likes of Gavilan, George Costner, Jackie Wilson, Jose Basora were never captured on film. I struggle to see what advantages Leonard has over Robinson. Hearns does have the jab, the reach, the punching power but I see Robinson catching up to him late much like Leonard did.

I been saying Floyd would give Robinson HELL for years now. Robinson was to easy to hit. The only guy that beats Floyd is Whitaker. A lot of guys are going to come in here and cokk sukk robinson..without realizing he had plenty of flaws....like leaning in, and he was off balance alot. He threw alot of wide shots and like I said was very easy to hit. He had a great chin. I don't know if Robinson would be that dominant in our era,because,he especially fought a style of fighter,short sluggers. It's not because Robinson has the greatest record,that he would have beat Hearns or Leonard,because Hearns and Leonard ain't no LaMotta,Basilio,Fullmer or Turpin. We can say what we want about this actual era,but there are every styles of fighters in our days. Tricky southpaws,defensive wizzards,stalkers,90% ko ratio punchers,sluggers,100 punches per round punching machin. All I know is Robinson speed and power package was crazy,and Floyd never fought a fast puncher freak like Robinson. Guys like Jake L. had iron chins and they all get floored. So you CAN'T say,Floyd beat Robinson all day. I think Hearns,Leonard beat Floyd.Hearns had a suspect jaw,but Floyd can't really hurt him. If Floyd was fightin Duran,I would worry for Floyd. Withtaker beat Floyd as well, Winky too. Pryor and Arguello could have. Don't count Chavez out,the emperor ain't no Castillo.He's the same style but 3 times better. A fast confident prime Oscar(the one who outboxed Tito and ruined Chavez,not the one who get beat by sturm and quitted against a midget) could have beat Floyd as well. I always said a game Forrest maybe upsets him because of his style and size. Margacheato is a tool,but he's so big and tough,he's Floyd nightmare. Can you imagine Floyd rolling shoulder in the ropes with giant welter Margo throwin from differents angles 100 punches per round and comin forward all the fight?? Floyd could have not hurt cheato and his iron jaw. Willie Pep could have outbox a 130 Floyd as well or at least make him look like a retard. Sanders would have been ducked by Floyd. The list is long.

These fighters were to big for floyd,delahoya would have beat him if he wouldnt have stopped boxing and tried to knock him out and delahoya was on his way out so yes defenitly 135 great 147 and up nop!!!!!!!

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc.... Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite. BUT......... Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once. Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance. He would tie up Hearns and bang him inside. Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times.... I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming. I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him. Hearns only need to land two or three punches and it will be goodnight for Mayweather..... Mind you Hearns will use his long left arm like a stick to keep Mayweather in line and within Hearns range but not Mayweathers. Paul Williams and Hearns would be interesting match up huh.

I think it would be a very close fight that Hearns could edge. But floyd has the total package. Hearns couldn't fight on the inside and didn't know how to tie up (like most Stewart fighters). Hearns needed range. at 130-135 i think no one would beat Floyd. It's boxing, anything can happen but the 130-135 Floyd was a beast.

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc.... Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite. BUT......... Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once. Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance. He would tie up Hearns and bang him inside. Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times.... I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming. I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him. Floyd at 130 was too small. Floyd at 147 has no chance in hell of dropping hearns

Good point, he can't do both at the same time. I'm still drawing a blank of a fight where Hearns fought on the inside. Floyd has great inside defense with underrated body work. Hearns needed range to punch. Hearns only fought on the inside when he was forced to by physically stronger fighters. He did it against Barkley in their second fight when Hearns had lost his legs and could only fight off the ropes and he ended up losing a split decision to Barkley who threw over 1000+ punches in the fight. It would be rather silly for Hearns to give away his reach in order to fight on the inside which is why you rarely saw him do it until he got old. I just don't see how Floyd will turn it into an inside fight. It's not like he can wait as he could against Hatton, Castillo, Corrales. He'll also be cautious enough about Hearns's power not to walk straight into him in an aggressive stance (Judah, Corley). Basically I don't see what he can do against Hearns. Saying he'll just turn it into an inside fight seems to be wishful thinking.

Resemblence from Shane mimicking his physical but it stops there. Which is pretty much what I said bro. The similarities are there, from punch selection, to stance, to movement.. but there's so much more that makes a fighter. Can Shane handle adversity like Ray could? Can he adjust to speed, pressure, or power like Ray could? The list goes on. and the same question goes to Floyd.. how would he like a Jab as long as Hearns, or a guy who could Bang you out if he wanted to or box from the outside with the best of them in Leonard (with flurry galore). It's the mental aspect that separates the two.. and it's like that with most fighters. Most fighters have the style to beat many of the men they lose to. Cotto for example, stylistically when he fought the fight he fought, was all wrong for Margi. But he lacked several things needed to win the fight (a clinch being the main one LOL). In any event.. without picking a verdict, I pick the following men to give floyd hell from 135 to 154 Ray Robinson (I don't want to go that far back, but since the threat is about him) Aaron Pryor Meldrick Taylor Tommy Hearns Ray Leonard Wilfredo Benitez Zab Judah (140) Shane Mosley (135) Roberto Duran Pernell Whitaker Paul Williams Winky Wright Verno Forrest and Possibly even Chavez, only beause him and Hatton resemble so much minus the wrestling. Not saying Floyd had a issue with hatton, just think chavez was a few steps ahead of hatton so could actually pose some sort of problem in comparison. Assuming floyd fought the same fight he did with hatton. (Flat footed that night, a lot of infighting)

See that's what's funny. How was Leonard able to stop Hearns? The first six rounds he used movement and the jab to belly. I also don't recall a fight where Hearns fought in the pocket. When Leonard had him hurt he did not know how to clinch or hold on. Not to sure is Hearns was all that fast either I think Floyd would use a similar strategy and make him miss a lot, then counter. On a side note, kudos to all the posters in this thread. Threads like this are few and far in between these days. No gayweather, chicken duck floyd, pak-yow,etc. Just boxing talk. Why the difference? Oh I know, the Pactards haven't got out of bed yet. Leonard stopped him because he was a huge WW with incredible power there too and fought aggressive because he couldn't out-box Hearns. There is a difference between knowing how to clinch when hurt and fighting on the inside. The two don't equal the one thing. Also, Leonard is a very different fighter from Mayweather. He was an aggressive boxer/puncher. Mayweather is a defensive counter puncher. If you haven't seen Hearns fight on the inside the you need to see more of him because he was sure as hell a good inside fighter. Hearns/Mayweather would look more like Benitez/Hearns than Leonard/Hearns. Just remember: Leonard was able to stop Hearns not because of smarts, skill, jab, defense, speed, countering or any of that stuff. He was able to stop him because the only way to do so was to straight up brawl with him. Get as close as possible and simply out-bang him. Like it or not, Mayweather simply doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns at 147. You've obviously watched Mayweather a lot and you should know that he is absolutely hittable. He has a great chin though when he needs to and never shows it when he does get hit. If Hearns connected, Hearns would stop Mayweather or at least hurt him/knock him down and Hearns could and would connect throughout a whole fight between them. Also, trying to time a jab like Hearns is difficult when you are much shorter with a lesser reach and the same speed. Hearns doesn't walk in like Corrales. He would fight from the outside using all his height, and a jab that puts Oscar's to shame in speed and power. If you think Mayweather just gets inside and works him over inside, how do you propose he does? Hearns wasn't exactly a stationary target at WW. He had brilliant, quick footwork and used a lot of the ring. He could simply push off on Mayweather being so much taller as Mayweather gets inside. Also, on the point of inside fighting. Hearns was a master of waiting inside before shoving off with his shoulders to create openings for his brilliant left hook and uppercuts inside. He is hugely overlooked as an inside fighter as evidenced here by people think he couldn't fight on the inside. Mayweather could beat a lot of guys and lots of styles, but this is one that I don't think he could win at all. Like you said though, this is all just opinion.

People question Floyd's heart but I don't doubt it. Floyd has never been behind in a fight. The only close fight he had with Castillo 1 he rallied and did what he had to do to win...and rematched 6 months later to erase all doubt. That's heart man. We've never seen Floyd hurt, cut, or bruised. All I know is he likes to win. We haven't seen the best Floyd Mayweather and Manny may bring that out of him. Bring the dog out of Mayweather....to his (manny's) demise. Thus why I'm not so sure if I'll buy Mayweather doing a Ray Leonard on Hearns. He has never proven he can do that, he has never been tested in that way. Of course he's not even a natural welterweight with welterweights power like Leonard. He can knock out a Ricky Hatton, maybe even a Pacquiao, aggressive fighters who'll look for him, but I can't see him hunting down a Thomas Hearns and stopping him. It's not what he does. Leonard proved he could do that even at super middleweight against a Donny Lalonde (decent title holder at LHW). I think Castillo wiped out most of the late rounds. Mayweather taking the early rounds seemed to win the fight for him although there's obviously controversy about that. And Hearns is not Jose Luis Castillo.

No, not at all. That would be very bad and 1 punch could end his night. Still fight the defensive counter puncher style. You can't be Floyd with 1 weapon (at least we haven't seen it yet). The jab is not enough to beat floyd. Floyd will adapt, time Hearns jab, counter punch, attack the body. It's not like Hearns has a jab only. Obviously he has a right too but what is overlooked is his great left hook to the body. You start crouching down to slip his right and he'll go downstairs with a left hook. How is Mayweather going to fight on the inside if he'll fight defensively? He is giving away 6 inches in height and even more in reach. Hearns was not one to give away his height and reach advantages either, unlike Corrales or Paul Williams.