WHEN SHOULD CLINTCHING be ALLOWED in BOXING?

It's illegal and shouldn't ever be allowed, and when done excessively warning's should be given and point should be taken. Simple as that. If everyone thought as the guy above stated Wladimir AKA GRABMIR would get penalized every fight.

when your about to get ktfo and even then you have to be in real danger

This right here is excessive: Yeah, i thought it was excessive as well. When it gets abusive like it becomes hard to watch the fight. Like watching a movies as your friend keeps on pausing ton his hidden remote, gets annoying.

Floyd warned the ref about Hattons hugging and squeezing, but then proceeded to hug hatton as he didnt want hatton to unload body shots on him. FLoyd will use hugs on Pac if he feels it neccesary to put pac in a straight jacket and not punch floyd.

As someone had already pointed out, clinching is a highly subjective part of the game. I recently created a thread about Devon Alexander's clinching, some felt it wasn't excessive and others, like myself, felt it was excessive. This is I want to see from the refs, if you had to pull the fighters apart two straight times during a round(and both times it was fighter A who initiated it) and commits a third in that same round then that should be an automatic point deduction from thereafter. And, the process starts all over again for each round. Because the hit n' hold tactic simply bores the sh*t out of most viewers, man. It's simply an eyesore, especially for the casual boxing fan.

This right here is excessive:

Perfect example of excessive and over the top holding was the Alexander/Maidana fight. Even Cunningham was telling him to do this in the corner. Alexander was never in any trouble in that fight, and could have really gained a lot more fans had he just showed his talents in more than 5 second intervals. A one-two punch and hold OVER and OVER and OVER again is not only excessive, it's boring and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of fans. I usually like Smoger and his willingness to allow fighters to fight on the inside (unlike Joe Cortez), but he didn't even warn Alexander at all that night for the constant holding - so why in the hell would Alexander stop. To me, (and I know it's not but should be) - the kind of holding like Alexander does borders on cheating to an extent, because even though he could have probably boxed circles around Maidana, when a guy only throws a one-two and holds every time, it disrupts the flow of the opponent as well. Every time he ties him up, the action stops and they have to keep getting reset to start again over and over again. That's not boxing to me and it certainly isn't enjoyable in the least. What makes it worse is that you can see that some of these guys like Alexander and Berto definately have the talent to go in there and box brilliantly, but their game plan is to make it as easy on themselves as possible with the least amount of risk. Funny thing with Berto though is that sometimes you watch him trying SO hard to grab on to his opponent when there's punches coming at him, he actually takes more punches while trying to hold then he would if he just put his defense up or moved around the ring! There've been a few times I thought he was gonna get knocked out while he was trying to grab and hold his opponent.

Many different views on this subject my friends. People have came on the show and expressed dislike for it and others say like it or not it is a part of boxing. My question warrants a good logical answer and if you could provide a fight that backs up your assesment of the rule that would be great....Lefty It's up to the ref brah, when should the ref start calling it excessive is the real question.

If we overlook this then why not break the rest.Maybe judo throws can be next. 3. HOLDING This is one of the most obvious poor tactics in the sport of boxing. It not only infuriates the fans, but it negates action during the bout. Therefore, it should be addressed accordingly. This foul occurs in various forms. A boxer may hold his opponent’s arms, hands, body or shoulders with either of his hands or arms. At times, the holding boxer is not to blame as when one boxer pushes or leans on his opponent and the latter loses balance and holds on. It should be noted that when one of the boxers pushes his arms underneath the arms of his opponent, does not withdraw them, and his opponent then delivers blows, the Referee should not interrupt this counter attack, but rather admonish the boxer pushing his arms underneath. Suitable hand signal: Mimic the type of holding, clenching or wrestling.

it depends how you clinch...I don't have a problem with how Ward and B-Hop clinch because they do it to get inside of their opponent then they RELEASE and go to the body but at the same time fans are FULL OF SH!T though because when Ricky Hatton basically WRESTLED HIS OPPONENTS and did a ton of clinching and holding people did not complain as much, they called him "TOUGH" "ROUGH" "RUGGED" but when Ward and B-Hop do it they get called "DIRTY" :nonono: so fans cant have it both ways, it can't be OK for one fighter then complain about it when another fighter does it I think it is up to the Ref to not allow it to get out of control and effect the flow of the fight, not sure why fans love Smoger so much especially if they don't like Clinching, because he allows Action Inside and he tells to fighters to "FIGHT OUT" which I think is great...but I am more of a Kenny Bayless fan myself, I think he knows how to keep the action flowing during his fights and he WARNS FIGHTERS

a man should be able to tie an opponent up if he's hurt. if he's strong enough and can manage it he's got to be allowed to buy himself time and clear his head. he's got to tie up both hands. if a man can keep his hands free he's got to be allowed to punch. otherwise i think excessive clinches should be penalized if they're clearly being initiated by one fighter. alexander was holding on saturday, but it certainly didnt win him the fight. maidana looked soft, worn out, and overmatched at 147. alexander beat the tar of him. chino needs a rest and fights at 140. otherwise he risks becoming a gatekeeper. he's not going to fight the way he does forever. Good post thanks for hitting up my thread

a man should be able to tie an opponent up if he's hurt. if he's strong enough and can manage it he's got to be allowed to buy himself time and clear his head. he's got to tie up both hands. if a man can keep his hands free he's got to be allowed to punch. otherwise i think excessive clinches should be penalized if they're clearly being initiated by one fighter. alexander was holding on saturday, but it certainly didnt win him the fight. maidana looked soft, worn out, and overmatched at 147. alexander beat the tar of him. chino needs a rest and fights at 140. otherwise he risks becoming a gatekeeper. he's not going to fight the way he does forever.

clinching is part of boxing, thats a fact. how much clinching that should be allowed is subjective. it depends on the situation and the person making the call. but clinching is part of boxing, anyone who truly understands the sport can see that quite easily. especially if you fought yourself, sometimes you can get wrapped up in there without either fighter even trying. I understand what you're saying but at the same time in that situation, the only reason the clinching happens is bc that's what one of the fighters is thinking of doing once he goes in, the clinch doesn't just magically happend, look at all the fights with great warriors going after each other, you would rarely see clinches bc they would go into each other to throw and block, no thoughts about clinching to not get hit while close.

When you're hurt, you should be allowed to clinch. I also have no problem with a fighter clinching here and there to avoid getting pinned down and such as long as that is not your only move to get out of it (Mayweather is a good ex. of this, when cornered he can use 3,4 different tactics to get out of it, its not always clinching. Clinching should NOT be allowed if its part of your style of boxing, punch and hold, punch and hold, punch and hold, this type of fighters are ruining boxing and refs should penalize for that. The Alexander Maidana fight was funny, you can see so clearly that Alexander is so used to training that way (punch and hold), I mean he had Maidana hurt and he'd be the one doing the holding...wtf...its already in his system he can't control it cause he trains to fight like that and it works, and this is not something we want our young fighters to learn.

clinching is part of boxing, thats a fact. how much clinching that should be allowed is subjective. it depends on the situation and the person making the call. but clinching is part of boxing, anyone who truly understands the sport can see that quite easily. especially if you fought yourself, sometimes you can get wrapped up in there without either fighter even trying. understood fully if you have to forces moving forward then you are bound to have some type of tie up or wrap up. This is why foot work is key in the ring. To avoid being clinched or tied up use your feet to pivot and turn your body and your opponent. This eliminates the clinches but in some cases like the fights where I mentioned certain bouts it was evident and needed to be warned would you not agree?

clinching is part of boxing, thats a fact. how much clinching that should be allowed is subjective. it depends on the situation and the person making the call. but clinching is part of boxing, anyone who truly understands the sport can see that quite easily. especially if you fought yourself, sometimes you can get wrapped up in there without either fighter even trying.

clinching is a smart tactic if used properly, most of the time it's abused and falls into the foul category..... you can tell a fighter that uses it as a necessity vs a fighter who uses it as a tactic. a fighter that clinches too much is obvious, but what makes it more obvious is when you can see that fighter isn't able to clinch as often as he wants, he will get knocked out, he's in a constant state of fouling........ you see lots of fighters do that, and although he wasn't in any threat of getting knocked out, he was on his way to losing by a WIDE margin, was amir khan in his last fight with peterson, if khan wasn't able to clinch and hold and pull petersons head down, khan would've REALLY looked like an amateur...... beyond losing on points....... that is just one example, might not be the best one, but it's one of the more recent that comes to mind at the moment. That was a really good post. I appreciate you hitting up my thread. As for another example is Alexander over Maidana. Clinching needs to be involved in your strategic plan when fighting a boxer like Maidana or your classic pressure fighter. Alexander clinched excessively and was allowed to do so. I made this thread after Ward fought Miranda and used clinching in that bout. What Khan did was more then clinching he used his elbow to push off by placing it in Maidana's throat on several occasions. He pushed his head down blatantly and also held excessively. When I think of this thread I think of 3 fighters..... Ward (Miranda and Kessler bouts) Alexander (Bradley and Maidana bouts) Khan (Maidana and Peterson bouts)

Many different views on this subject my friends. People have came on the show and expressed dislike for it and others say like it or not it is a part of boxing. My question warrants a good logical answer and if you could provide a fight that backs up your assesment of the rule that would be great....Lefty clinching is a smart tactic if used properly, most of the time it's abused and falls into the foul category..... you can tell a fighter that uses it as a necessity vs a fighter who uses it as a tactic. a fighter that clinches too much is obvious, but what makes it more obvious is when you can see that fighter isn't able to clinch as often as he wants, he will get knocked out, he's in a constant state of fouling........ you see lots of fighters do that, and although he wasn't in any threat of getting knocked out, he was on his way to losing by a WIDE margin, was amir khan in his last fight with peterson, if khan wasn't able to clinch and hold and pull petersons head down, khan would've REALLY looked like an amateur...... beyond losing on points....... that is just one example, might not be the best one, but it's one of the more recent that comes to mind at the moment.

thought of this in recent light of Amir Khan getting charged 2 points for pushing

it shouldnt be allowed. clinching needs to stay in mma not boxing.