Where Is All The Muscle That Pacquiao Supposedly Packed On?

Manny is a roider plain and simple....he must be hiding something, why won't he take a test? LOL, nah, not really...commonsense can't be used in this Pac weight thing so just go with the flow- darn roid head!!

pac only gained 5 lbs of water weight from the cotto fight? dam........... great thread great thread by a great poster!!!...Sam didn't bullsh!t....dude's articulate approach is missed around here....real talk!!

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern. Flomos are the ABNORMAL!!!

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern. pac only gained 5 lbs of water weight from the cotto fight? dam........... great thread

First of all, those are unofficial fight night weights. Second of all, look at the progression of Pac's head. Barry Bonds called, Manny's making him blush. Weights and numbers are more precise than the appearance of the head based on a few pictures you see on the net. Let's see you do that in court to pin down Pacquiao. I'll paraphrase what someone has already posted: Mayweather camp: Pacquiao is on PEDs! Judge: right. do you have any evidence? Mayweather camp: His head is bigger! Judge: Can you prove it? Mayweather camp: but.. but.. his head certainly looks bigger! Judge: That's not admissible. do you have any other evidence? Mayweather camp: quack!

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern. if he was gaining fat i might would agree, but he gaining muscle and putting on mass. Now he may be blessed with the right body to do that so why don't he agree to the test to put a end to the mess?

This thread is good and bump-worthy. It has always been the weight divisions that went up, hence the rise in weight on weigh-in night, not Pacquiao's walking weight. ( wew, so much use of the weight word, i think i need to sleep now, brain's fried. :D) 2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern.

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern. How are you doing Sam. Good post and I see your point and I stated in another thred : Now putting my 2 cents here on this whole steroid thing. I still believe that this is no more than a marketing hype for the fight ( as it really needed any more). But I stand by that for the moment because I can not believe that Arum a Box promoter for so may years and GBP to be stalling in what could very well be the biggest pay day this companies will ever see historically as for there own profit and as a boxing match record in revenues. So this theatrics if it is what they are doing is not unconcivable since promoting companies do not really care about there boxers in the long run, just what they can do to get the most money from them, so this may very well be the case and it is what I believe it is happening. In the other hand, if this is drama is all true, then Manny has to take action and take the test and fire all his advisors. For the record, I believe he is not on anything but the positions he has taking opened the window of doubt, if this whole drama is true. I do not believe Pac is on anything and if this is no marketing plot Pac should just fire his advisors and take the test, because the problem is not the facts but rather the huge shadow of doubt that people can have.

Pacquaio had a lot of trouble to make weight. He lost to morales for being weight drained. He then suffered at 130 against a JMM rematch. He is not actually mroe shreaded at 145 than at the lower weights. Think 130 vs valsquez http://pinoysports.ph/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/manny-pacquiao.jpg Against Diaz at 135 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kp2FrgCoRfs/SGWa4IhTxaI/AAAAAAAACnc/6Mjv9S20gbk/s400/diaz-weigh-in-vegas.jpg Against Hatton at 140lbs (Think he was 138) http://media.nowpublic.net/images//b9/f/b9fe629fb68cef4ef33b0f513cc34c24.jpg 144 lbs against Cotto: http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Manny-Pacquiao-and-Miguel-Cotto-at-Vegas-weigh-in.JPG To me he has gotten bigger. Not in how toned he is, but a lot bulkier. His face has more water weight and I can see less of his bones and more chin

20 pounds is doable. Read the post. It's 30 pounds that I scoff at. Let Cotto step on a scale at 160, and we'll see if he looks like Cotto at 147- not a chance in hell. Like Marquez at 142, Trinidad and De La Hoya @ 160+, etc. They all look heavier and chubbier period. This is the natural order of things for athletes that don't predominantly train to gain muscle mass, which boxers don't. You go up significantly in weight from the weight at which you looked lean, and you stop looking very lean. This is actually quiet simple. 30lbs? Pacquiao is said to walk around 150-155. What Pacquiao did was actually go up and fight in a more natural weight. When Steward first heard Pacquiao's rehydration of 16lbs after the weigh-in against Marquez--Steward said Pacquiao had 7lbs of more natural muscle than Marquez. This would be in-line why Pacquiao weighed at 138lbs against Hatton where he didn't have to cut so much weight.

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern. Great post. Thanks. Flomos still won't get it though.

]What about Arums connections to the NSAC? Who has suggested this? Any credible sources? If not, you should dismiss it as you dismissed the Pac and roid rumors, as the sources were not credible. Need to be even on all counts. Isnt that why at 1st Arum suggested that any other number of independent agencies used by the NBA or NFL with a known history of testing professional athletes do the testing as opposed to USADA or the NSAC??? Everytime they make an offer GBP and team Mayweather go "NO...USADA must do it"

If GBP has ties to USADA and "connections" as some have suggested, it makes perfect sense. What about Arums connections to the NSAC? Who has suggested this? Any credible sources? If not, you should dismiss it as you dismissed the Pac and roid rumors, as the sources were not credible. Need to be even on all counts.

Ofcourse they dont........ -Muscles http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/1204/box_ap_mayweather_580.jpg http://www.sportssoundoff.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/floyd-mayweather-jr.gif -Increased Speed You said Floyd was faster than Pac even though he's bigger than pac -Increased Power Oscar delahoya:"Luckily he doesnt hit hard at all" Ricky Hatton: "The mayweather fight was tougher for me" - Punch Resistance 9He ate Cottos shots like Candy) -Yet JMM had on queer street several times Floyd Mayweather aint been hurt by fighters as high as 154 and yet Castillo had him on queer street several times -The maner in which hes beating bigger fighters. -The time frame hes done it in. Flomos: "Bums, shot fighters, Mayweather and Margarito's leftovers" It raises questions. Interesting. raises questions my ass.

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Whatever, he clearly looks different. He should take your little chart and take it to the blood testing site. Get tested Manny. Do it. Yes, we should persecute anyone who looks different as time passes on. I was born in 1983 but I still look like a 5 year old. :Flush:

Why is it that you guys who want to back Pacquiao keep going back to steroids and muscle mass, and arguing- due to weight- that Manny must be clean. I like Pacquiao but the argument is he could be using PED's. PED are Performance Enhancing Drugs. Not necessarily steroids; which mainly increase muscle. EPO (erythropoietin), for instance, is going to increase an athletes red blood cell count, giving him a gigantic increase in endurance. You can't look at weights to prove if an athlete is on a PED- otherwise testing for it, because of symptoms such as a rapid muscle gain, would be much easier. The fact is, many PED's can be used and metabolized by the body, in and out- within a matter of days or even hours. This comes from credible doping sources in no relation to this incident. There's no way for us to know if an accused athlete- Lebron James to Floyd Mayweather- is doping unless he takes random blood tests. That is why the two aforementioned athletes understand they must, to be at the top of a physical field in which they stand to make millions, prove themselves clean. its because the only reason floyd sr started accusing pac of cheating is cuz he moved up in WEIGHT and was still a beast if not even better... but when u analize his fight night weights for his past fights, it actually makes perfect sense.

O.k. I was asking questions hypothetically; I know enough about losing and gaining weight naturally to know when something does not seem right. First, let's get this out of the way: George St. Pierre walks around at 185, not 200. See link http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Transcript-Of-Exclusive-Georges-St.-Pierre-Interview.html. Okay, that's an old link, and post-groin injury GSP walks around 195 in between fights. That's a year round training, in shape GSP. You don't have to be out of shape to be above your fighting weight. From Ed Soares directly: During his recent groin injury, St.Pierre has bulked up 10 pounds from his walk around weight of 185 pounds to 195 pounds. Now, Pacquiao at 144 is already in state of dehydration. We know this because for the Cotto fight he weighed, fight night, 149-150. And we all know that a fully hydrated individual does not put on 5-6 pounds with just food. You can't just assume someone is dehydrated by being 4-5 pounds lighter than normal. Especially not just by looking at them. Let's also start by noting that 5-6% body fat is about as good as it is going to get for a natural man. This is also a body fat level for which one must train and diet. There is no such thing as being born with genetics that allow you to stay at 6% body fat all the time. We also know that the closer you get to this number, the more difficult it becomes to achieve more body fat loss. You seem well versed in biology and physiology, so I don't have to tell you that. Pacquiao weighs naturally 150 pounds at 8% (12 pounds of total fat) body fat. He starts to diet and train to make 129. In the weeks approaching the fight, he trains and diets hard to lose 5 pounds of fat; unfortunately, he loses 3 pounds of muscle in the meantime (muscle catabolism -wasting, it sucks, but it happens). He now weighs 142 with 5% body fat, extremely ripped and hard. He has already lost significant amount of water, but he's not done, he's going to lose an additional 13 pounds of water (9% of total bodyweight at this point) the last week before the fight. He does so successfully, but not before stopping by the hospital.... Come on! Not even you believe that is possible. The trip down from 140 is not that difficult and is what most people would expect. Pacquiao out of shape at 150, loses 10-12 pounds of fat, water, and some muscle, and then loses the additional water weight to make 130, looking rock solid. It is a journey of 20 total pounds, but starting from 150 and out of shape. It makes sense. So...where did those extra 10 pounds of lean mass come from? That is what has everybody in a frenzy my friend. You are underestimating the amount of water weight one can lose. 65% of our total weight is water.

Ofcourse they dont........ -Muscles -Increased Speed -Increased Power - Punch Resistance 9He ate Cottos shots like Candy) -Yet JMM had on queer street several times -The maner in which hes beating bigger fighters. -The time frame hes done it in. It raises questions. Like Paulie said: If someone was accsuing me of this shit..I would take the tests so I could get in the ring then whoop their ass, take my 40 million and smile knowing I prove the doubters wrong and I just proved Im better then Mayweather. But no he sued, and wants to fight Paulie when Bradley called Pac out as well. Interesting. -muscles? ofcourse he'll look bigger and more muscular when hes in a higher weight class. so what are you talking about? -increased speed? really? i don think he got slower either but he did NOT get faster. he's fighting slower fighters in the higher weight class, floyd comparably as fast as pac. so what are you talking about? -increased power? he's always been a knock out artist, and if he can knock guys out easily when he was cutting a lot of weight ofcourse he'll have power when he's fighting in his walking weight, and im pretty sure ODLH and diaz said pac didnt hard.. and its not like he was iron mike-ing everyone when he moved up.. so what are you talking about? -Punch Resistance (He ate Cottos shots like Candy)? you mean Cotto's straight jabs and little uppercuts? lol! he never got manny clean on the chin, or the body so what are you talking about? -Yet JMM had on queer street several times? you mean that ONE time when he got manny off guard when manny was reseting and was totally relaxed? and still didnt go down?? and the other clean brutal shots to the face where manny takes them and you can see his eyes still focused on marquez?? manny always had a chin (sans his 2 early fluke KOs when he was a weight drained teenager) so what are you talking about? -The manner in which hes beating bigger fighters? pac beat Diaz, DLH, Hatton and Cotto because of all of the above (strength, speed, a good chin) plus great footwork, greatly improved boxing skills and roach's coaching and gameplan so what are you talking about? -The time frame hes done it in? see "manny's fight night weights" ... and then again there's always the possibility that pac is one of the greatest boxers ever...

20 pounds is doable. Read the post. It's 30 pounds that I scoff at. Let Cotto step on a scale at 160, and we'll see if he looks like Cotto at 147- not a chance in hell. Like Marquez at 142, Trinidad and De La Hoya @ 160+, etc. They all look heavier and chubbier period. This is the natural order of things for athletes that don't predominantly train to gain muscle mass, which boxers don't. You go up significantly in weight from the weight at which you looked lean, and you stop looking very lean. This is actually quiet simple. Unless....you happened to grow up not just in a third world country, but dirt fukkin poor in said country, with substandard nutrition, then through your success you are eventually able to afford proper nutrition and training in the middle part of your career.