"Burden of Proof... Morons!"

what theyve agreed upon is testing by the USADA but not the whole USADA Testing Protocol the random testing as it may distract training of pacman among other reasons including superstition. And Pac doesn't need to comply to them. Pac passes all the test!! I understand if Mosley will be the one subject to these test. He's been a user before. But Pac has no history of these allegation whatsoever. Pac doesn't need to just Agree to the Gayweathers. Pac is a Cash Cow himself!! Pac generates his own money. Gayweathers & Golden Girls need to pay up for damages to pac's reputation!!!

Who has directly accused him? What, having doubts about someone who will not agree to random drug testing that they agreed to in the first place is an accusation? Or speculation? When the majority of the boxing public wonders why Manny will not submit to random drug testing, is that an accusation? I would understand if the majority of the fans and experts found Team Mayweather's request preposterous, and called Mayweather a lunatic for making such an outrageous and outlandish request that Team Pacquiao would never agree to. Only thing is Team Pacquiao agreed to testing done by USADA when it was proposed to them. They didn't say: "You must be crazy. We'll never use the USADA. They've never been used in pro boxing before. It's the NSAC or nobody." No, they agreed with the proposal. what theyve agreed upon is testing by the USADA but not the whole USADA Testing Protocol the random testing as it may distract training of pacman among other reasons including superstition.

I honestly doubt pacquiao is taking steroids but thats why this situation is tickin me off, he has nothing to hide, take the test, shut everyone up and make the people who accused him look even more foolish for accusing him of such a thing and move on with the fight, simple as that I think everyone was expecting it to roll out that smoothly when they agreed on the testing. Then all heck broke lose. I'm certain many fans want to see him prove all his "accusers" wrong one way or another.

Also, Floyd Mayweather Jr has no right to accuse Pacquaio of taking PEDs (oh, wait. Mayweather hasn't made any accusations. His advisors are asking for the tests as part of the negotiations process to make sure things are fair the same way a fighter (Pacquaio for example) would ask for a penalty for their opponent being overweight. Also, Pacquaio should "prove" that Mayweather will come in overweight before he asks for a $10 million penalty for every pound overweight (...wait. Pac can't prove that he will come in overweight. It is just a precaution based on a suspicion, like the drug testing rule). He and his father has put forward the "steroids/hgh" allegations in several of their interviews and Gayweather in his last fight with Marquez is 6 pounds overweight over the contractual limit of 144lbs. So Team Pac has basis they don't!

Drug-testing aside... Show proof first that Pac is taking "steroids/hgh" to increase his performance. And also, show proof too that Gayweather jr. is not taking "steroids/hgh" to improve his own performance?! You got to present your case "logically" for or againts for both sides. Fire away!!! I honestly doubt pacquiao is taking steroids but thats why this situation is tickin me off, he has nothing to hide, take the test, shut everyone up and make the people who accused him look even more foolish for accusing him of such a thing and move on with the fight, simple as that

You are right. Athletic commissions should be required to "prove" that fighters are taking PED's before they test them. Let's eliminate all drug tests after a fight unless Athletic Commissions can prove a fighter took illegal substances ahead of time. Also, Floyd Mayweather Jr has no right to accuse Pacquaio of taking PEDs (oh, wait. Mayweather hasn't made any accusations. His advisors are asking for the tests as part of the negotiations process to make sure things are fair the same way a fighter (Pacquaio for example) would ask for a penalty for their opponent being overweight. Also, Pacquaio should "prove" that Mayweather will come in overweight before he asks for a $10 million penalty for every pound overweight (...wait. Pac can't prove that he will come in overweight. It is just a precaution based on a suspicion, like the drug testing rule). Regardless, everything demanded in a negotiation for a fight should be backed up by proof before it is included in the contract. Has Manny ever tested positive for any banned substances? Has Mayweather ever come in over the agreed upon weight limit?

Drug-testing aside... Show proof first that Pac is taking "steroids/hgh" to increase his performance. And also, show proof too that Gayweather jr. is not taking "steroids/hgh" to improve his own performance?! You got to present your case "logically" for or againts for both sides. Fire away!!! You are right. Athletic commissions should be required to "prove" that fighters are taking PED's before they test them. Let's eliminate all drug tests after a fight unless Athletic Commissions can prove a fighter took illegal substances ahead of time. Also, Floyd Mayweather Jr has no right to accuse Pacquaio of taking PEDs (oh, wait. Mayweather hasn't made any accusations. His advisors are asking for the tests as part of the negotiations process to make sure things are fair the same way a fighter (Pacquaio for example) would ask for a penalty for their opponent being overweight. Also, Pacquaio should "prove" that Mayweather will come in overweight before he asks for a $10 million penalty for every pound overweight (...wait. Pac can't prove that he will come in overweight. It is just a precaution based on a suspicion, like the drug testing rule). Regardless, everything demanded in a negotiation for a fight should be backed up by proof before it is included in the contract.

Accusing anyone of using drugs without proof , that's a slander!!! Pac will win this case!! He's more Charismatic & more Believable than any of the Mayweather clan. Who has directly accused him? What, having doubts about someone who will not agree to random drug testing that they agreed to in the first place is an accusation? Or speculation? When the majority of the boxing public wonders why Manny will not submit to random drug testing, is that an accusation? I would understand if the majority of the fans and experts found Team Mayweather's request preposterous, and called Mayweather a lunatic for making such an outrageous and outlandish request that Team Pacquiao would never agree to. Only thing is Team Pacquiao agreed to testing done by USADA when it was proposed to them. They didn't say: "You must be crazy. We'll never use the USADA. They've never been used in pro boxing before. It's the NSAC or nobody." No, they agreed with the proposal.

I'm sure Manny will take a piss test ON FIGHT NIGHT. The only reason the Mayweathers are calling for blood tests is because HGH can't be detected in Urine tests. Random tests throughout training, and immediately after the test is MORE than enough to make sure he's not on HGH. (Which is laughable anyways, considering HGH is only REALLY effective in conjunction with steroids). And a piss test 5 minutes before he walks out to the ring is MORE than enough to make sure he's not on anything else. Someone REFUTE THAT please.

Well demolish this argument . Floyd risks his life every time he steps into the ring , he has a right to ask for the worlds most accurate PEDs detection protocol to insure the fight is PEDS free . Boxing as a sporting body will side with Floyd because the official boxing drug testing regime is badly flawed , boxing has a vehicle getting world wide media attention it will jump on board supporting no PEDS in boxing , giving more weight to Floyd wanting the most accurate protocol . I could win this case in court it is that black and white !! Still you don't have Evidence. You can't win a court case base on speculation.

Well demolish this argument . Floyd risks his life every time he steps into the ring , he has a right to ask for the worlds most accurate PEDs detection protocol to insure the fight is PEDS free . Boxing as a sporting body will side with Floyd because the official boxing drug testing regime is badly flawed , boxing has a vehicle getting world wide media attention it will jump on board supporting no PEDS in boxing , giving more weight to Floyd wanting the most accurate protocol . I could win this case in court it is that black and white !! Then these reforms should be done worldwide under a governing body and not just on the whim of the Mayweathers; there is absolutely no reason to single out Manny. I would applaud any attempt to reform the system to benefit everyone but this is just plain McCarthyism.

Did u not rwad his post correctly? You guys are on t same side... It was a good post, proving that pac has been winning by speed, conditioning and skills... No reason to even mention steroids or hgh I was threading in two different post thats why i misread it. My apoligies!

I think you've mistaken my post, I've posted the idiotic statements made by Pac haters and posted rebuttals below them. Sorry Man! I was threading in two different post!

Accusing anyone of using drugs without proof or evidence is foolish. The ONLY way is via random testing. Nobody accuses every pro boxer of being on any drugs BUT they are ALL given the benefit of doubt and must submit to drug testing to prove their innocence until proven guilty. This goes for every pro athlete. Accusing anyone of using drugs without proof , that's a slander!!! Pac will win this case!! He's more Charismatic & more Believable than any of the Mayweather clan.

Wow! Thats the most Idiotic Logic that i ever heard to prove once guilt or innocence. Ask every sports nutritionist, HGH dont increase performance level without the aid of steroids. If a fighter undergoes mandatory post fight testing it will be detected even with the help of flusher or a masking agent. Your other logic is flawed. I think you've mistaken my post, I've posted the idiotic statements made by Pac haters and posted rebuttals below them.

Wow! Thats the most Idiotic Logic that i ever heard to prove once guilt or innocence. Ask every sports nutritionist, HGH dont increase performance level without the aid of steroids. If a fighter undergoes mandatory post fight testing it will be detected even with the help of flusher or a masking agent. Your other logic is flawed. Did u not rwad his post correctly? You guys are on t same side... It was a good post, proving that pac has been winning by speed, conditioning and skills... No reason to even mention steroids or hgh

Accusing anyone of using drugs without proof or evidence is foolish. The ONLY way is via random testing. Nobody accuses every pro boxer of being on any drugs BUT they are ALL given the benefit of doubt and must submit to drug testing to prove their innocence until proven guilty. This goes for every pro athlete. I agree with you in some points but to accuse a guy just to have a leverage in a contract dispute is "Insane." Further more, the only evidence being presented is based on Pac's remarkable performance as of late in which the whole boxing world highly appreciated. The morons logic is if Gayweather beats his opponents easy... His naturally Gifted and Very Skilled. If pac beats his opponents easy... They say that his on "Drugs." What kind of "Stupid logic" is that?!

There is no proof, which is why the more respected agency, the United States anti-doping agency, will be doing the testing and after the fight, there will be no excuses.

I've seen a few arguments that have been demolished long ago 1)How can he move up 4 weight divisions and gain that much weight so quickly -Well he's gained around 5 pounds in the past 3 1/2 years, it's not that difficult to do. 2)He keeps getting stronger while moving up -David Diaz and De Lahoya both commented on how Pac didn't have that much power at all 3)He's able to walk through punches with ease now -Pac at 130 was starving and dehydrating himself, now he can eat five times a day and have breakfast and lunch on the day of the weigh in. Also in his last few fights i don't recall anyone really testing him on the button. 4)His head is so much bigger, he must be on HGH -HGH helps you build muscle without any strength gains, also has Pac had any head measurements done? Wow! Thats the most Idiotic Logic that i ever heard to prove once guilt or innocence. Ask every sports nutritionist, HGH dont increase performance level without the aid of steroids. If a fighter undergoes mandatory post fight testing it will be detected even with the help of flusher or a masking agent. Your other logic is flawed.

Drug-testing aside... Show proof first that Pac is taking "steroids/hgh" to increase his performance. And also, show proof too that Gayweather jr. is not taking "steroids/hgh" to improve his own performance?! You got to present your case "logically" for or againts for both sides. Fire away!!! I've seen a few arguments that have been demolished long ago 1)How can he move up 4 weight divisions and gain that much weight so quickly -Well he's gained around 5 pounds in the past 3 1/2 years, it's not that difficult to do. 2)He keeps getting stronger while moving up -David Diaz and De Lahoya both commented on how Pac didn't have that much power at all 3)He's able to walk through punches with ease now -Pac at 130 was starving and dehydrating himself, now he can eat five times a day and have breakfast and lunch on the day of the weigh in. Also in his last few fights i don't recall anyone really testing him on the button. 4)His head is so much bigger, he must be on HGH -HGH helps you build muscle without any strength gains, also has Pac had any head measurements done?