read the story before you comment. leave all the "crackhead this, and crackhead that" foolishness out of this thread. this is for REAL DISCUSSION, or get put on ignore. simple.
"Yeah, I definitely want Pacquiao to give blood. How is that going to affect him mentally? You could give blood a day before the fight and it wouldn't affect you, let alone three weeks out. Something isn't right man and we're going to make sure everything is copacetic" stated World Class trainer, Floyd Mayweather Sr. as he shared his thoughts on the Olympic-style drug testing that both fighters have agreed to undertake leading up to their highly-anticipated showdown.
read the rest of the story here....http://fighthype.com/pages/content6540.html
Is this fight going to happen on March 13? Yes or no?
it should, Mayweather is ready to take all the tests he's demanding to be taken, Manny is the only one putting up a problem..
What if Pac looses the fight because of the blood test (mental affect/physical affect) and he was clean? Is that fair to him? If you really think he's clean, why push it? Why is there any doubt? Why give in to Sr's baseless accusation? Why does Pac have to clear his name when he has given no reason for any of us to doubt him? I understand using the testing to prove his innocence but it disgusts me that he has to do that because a former crackhead and convicted drug pusher said so.
Many professional athletes have specific routines they religiously follow up to the point of their competition. If Pac says he's thinks it'll affect his performance then I'll trust him. If Floyd said the same I'd trust him too. This fight is too big, too important for either fighter to have an advantage.
LOL so now Sr. is Father of the Year!?! Was he looking out for his son when he used him as a human sheild?!?
did you trust An-phony-o Plastercheato? talking like that it sounds as if you did.. funny shit is I did too until they PROVED that he was a cheater, how? because Naazim caught a vibe on what was going on, expressed himself and exposed this cheater, now picture if Naazim would have stood quiet? Shane would still be suffering from the beating with Plaster.. THAT'S why it's far from disgusting that Floyd Sr wants to have this testing done, this is him being the good father he wasn't when he was using Floyd as that shield you talking about..
if you ask me too many people been pulling down Pacquiao's pants and.. :blowjob: ..but Floyd ain't one of them, Pacquiao needs to take this test, he's going to blow all those Millions and not fight due to tests that Floyd is 110% willing and ready to take? what's there to hide? it will affect your performance? Floyd is taking that same chance all to prove not only to you but to the rest of the world he's clean, so why won Pacquiao do the same? I smell bullshit..
I'll tell you this much right now yo me being the reasonable guy I have a tendency of being I could DEFINITELY understand Floyd asking for a test to be done to secure his safety and a fair fight (being that he will also receive the same tests on the same days)over Manny NOT taking the test to clear his name..
if they drain pac of blood, then floyd should be forced to do something he's uncomfortable with, like not being gay
man....you failed very hard.
You are like the jermaine taylor of boxingscene.
Hatton,Cotto,Oscar never asked for olympic drug style testing but the mayweathers are?
They're scared.
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Don't let them have your blood Manny!!! They're going to use your blood to create an evil Manny clone and train him to shoulder roll like Mayweather and he will destroy everyone and they'll make a fortune.
Here's the actual process from USADA.
As of January 1, 2009, please be aware of the following changes not currently reflected in the video links on the following pages.
1. Athletes will need to provide at least 90mLs of urine.
2. Prior to providing the sample, the athlete must rinse his/her hands with water only.
3. After the sample has been collected, urine will first be poured into the B bottle and the remaining urine will be poured into the A bottle.
4. pH will no longer be measured.
5. Athletes will be required to provide whereabouts information and updates on a Whereabouts Filing rather than providing information on an Athlete Location Form.
6. Athletes will be asked to declare blood transfusions within the last six (6) months, medications and/or other substances taken in the last three (3) days (including vitamins, minerals, herbs, proteins, amino acids and other dietary supplements); Local injection(s) of glucocorticosteroids in the last two (2) months; Use of inhaler(s) in last three (3) days; and/or current Therapeutic Use Exemption(s).
Looks like It doesn't say a random multiple blood test.
pac doesn't want to give blood coz it is toxic and they might inject it to PBF transforming him into this...
http://www.cgfocus.com/images/moviereviews/TheHulk/image_07.jpg
but come to think of it, it would be an epic battle..:D
http://www.cgfocus.com/images/moviereviews/TheHulk/image_06.jpg
if he goes through with the testing, i dont see how it does anything but erase all doubts should he win.....
Again, they are going through the Olympic testing that they agreed upon, so what are you talking about.
LOL....all you posted were different types of tests used....there's nothing included about WHEN, and the FREQUENCIES, of when each test is given....aka "procedure"
WTF! Uh yeah, those are the different type of test they conduct for the Olympic drug testing. My point is, it doesn't show anything about any type of blood testing. You are correct, it's not the actual procedure, but rather the type of test they conduct. Still, where does it say anything about a blood test. How about this, show me what you got, show me any proof of any type of blood test, and you just completely ignored the rest of my post. What part of the agreement that Manny's camp is not following, answer that. At least man up and respond. Again, what constitute the blood testing, give me any reason why that should be conducted if the Olympic testing doesn't require it, unless you show me that it does.
manny used something, he knows how to pass drug tests..
all this is just mental games and publicity stunts, it also might serve to lessen pacs shine if he wins.. win/win for mayweather
pac already said the accusations made him mad before.. how do you think he feels now?
if i remember correctly mayweather also tried to piss hatton off, then when hatton rushed him like a bull he kept his thinking cap on and countered all night
if he goes through with the testing, i dont see how it does anything but erase all doubts should he win.....
Wrong. AS far as i know, They agreed to the Olympic drug testing procedure. What they're disputing right now is the blood testing that Mayweather's camp wants that i don't think is part of the Olympic drug testing procedure. YOu're right that none of us have seen the actual agreement or contract, so how do you know what they have agreed upon, you just completely contradicted yourself. Anyway, here's what i found that is supposed to be the standard Olympic drug testing procedure. You're turn.
LOL....all you posted were different types of tests used....there's nothing included about WHEN, and the FREQUENCIES, of when each test is given....aka "procedure"
the only ppl roach is playing games with is us.....as long as this shit goes back and forth, the longer the fight takes to get signed.
it's pretty simple, they agreed to the tests, if they have nothing to hide, they should STFU and move on.
what have you posted about "standard" olympic drug testing procedure?
i didn't know you worked for the committee, but since you do, let me ask you, is it normal to test an athlete for 4 weeks, then stop within 6 weeks of the time they perform....
it doesn't matter what "standard" procedure is, all that matters is what's been agreed upon in the contract for this fight.....and neither you or I have seen the contract for the fight. this is not the olympics. and all i know, is what i've been saying, "it's pretty damn strange to agree to testing, but say it has to stop 6 weeks prior to the fight, b/c of some bullshit mental affect it will have on the fighter."
Wrong. AS far as i know, They agreed to the Olympic drug testing procedure. What they're disputing right now is the blood testing that Mayweather's camp wants that i don't think is part of the Olympic drug testing procedure. YOu're right that none of us have seen the actual agreement or contract, so how do you know what they have agreed upon, you just completely contradicted yourself. Anyway, here's what i found that is supposed to be the standard Olympic drug testing procedure. You're turn.
DRUG TESTS
URINALYSIS
The most frequently used drug test for Anabolic steroid testing is urinalysis. The bodybuilder or other athlete is notified of the test after being awarded first, second or third place in a competition. Athletes who competed, but did not place in the top three, may also be chosen at random to be tested. The person must present himself/herself to the testing site immediately after the awards ceremony. The athlete is asked to urinate in the presence of an official to prevent sample tampering. The urine sample is divided into two samples: sample one is stored under close security, only to be used pending the outcome of tests on sample two. Sample two, the test sample, is then subjected to various forms of chemical analysis. One of the most commonly used tests is the gas chromatography procedure.
GAS CHROMATOGRAPHY
In this test a chromatograph converts the urine into gas, screening out traces of forbidden compounds. Under pressure the gas passes through very sensitive columns, which separate the various substances into easily detectable components. If metabolites (breakdown products) of anabolic steroids are detected, the next step is to use a device called a mass spectrometer to determine exactly which steroids are in the athlete’s sample.
LIQUID CHROMATOGRAPHY
Instead of using the gas chromatography method, a variation known as liquid chromatography may be used for anabolic steroid testing. Once again, specialized columns of chemicals are used. The liquid urine is exposed to these columns, and the various constituents of the urine climb the columns to different levels. Drug components can be separated by color and distance
RADIOIMMUNOASSAY (RIA)
This test was developed in the early seventies, and was considered at the time to be the end-all to drug use in sports. Because RIA involves the use of radioactive isotopes, the number of laboratories which can carry out this test are limited. For this procedure, radioactive isotopes and specific foreign substance antibodies are added to a urine sample. If no banned steroids are present, the antibodies and isotopes combine and can be filtered out of the solution. There would be no remaining radioactivity in the sample. In a positive sample, the antibodies do not combine with the isotopes, and radioactivity remains. The chromatography and mass spectrometer tests are considered the top of the line in anabolic steroid testing, and have replaced RIA tests.
TESTOSTERONE RATIO TESTING
In the past, male athletes who knew that competitors at a particular event were to be tested for steroids, would simply discontinue the use of the steroids well in advance of the competition. When they stopped anabolic steroid use, they substituted pure testosterone. The purpose was to maintain strength, size, and other performance gains.
Scientists and drug testers became aware of this countermeasure and in response they developed a counter-countermeasure. As testosterone is broken down, one of its breakdown products, epitestosterone, is produced. The normal ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is 1:1. When an athlete takes artificial testosterone, the amount of testosterone in the urine is increased, but the amount of epitestosterone excreted does not change. Thus the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone increases dramatically. If the athlete’s ratio exceeds 6:1, the athlete is disqualified. For example, one powerlifter was tested and his ratio was 100:1!
Not only is the ratio indicative of testosterone use by an athlete, it also reveals to the tester whether or not the individual was using high levels of anabolic steroids. When an athlete uses anabolic steroids, the body’s own testosterone levels are reduced dramatically. When the user stops taking steroids, the body’s own testosterone production resumes, to bring testosterone levels back to the pre-steroid state. In some cases, the athlete’s body over-produces testosterone, thus shifting the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio upwards, past the acceptable upper limit of 6:1.
TESTING ACCURACY
From 1986 to 1988, Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson was tested 19 times for anabolic steroids at various competitions. Although he was using anabolic steroids throughout this period, all tests were negative. Even in 1988, Olympic athletes using steroids managed to pass sophisticated IOC anabolic steroid tests. More than 50 male athletes who competed in the Seoul Olympics were later found to have used anabolic steroids in the six months prior to the games. These results came to light after a more sophisticated testing procedure was carried out on 1100 urine samples (collected during the games), which had been stored.
The present detection capabilities for some steroids are in the .25 mg (nanogram) range. This means that the specific metabolites for a drug such as Deca-durabolin can be measured, even when they exist in a concentration of one quarter part per billion! In most cases the tests can detect steroid use for only as long as the steroid is exerting a physiological effect on the athlete’s system.
There are numerous factors that increase or decrease a bodybuilder’s chances of passing or failing an anabolic steroid test. These include:
The type of anabolic steroids used
How long the individual was on the drugs
The dosages used
The purity of the steroids
The type of steroid cycle followed
The individual’s genetics
It’s because of these factors that bodybuilders and other athletes have developed a whole series of anabolic steroid test counter measures to be drug tests.
Are you serious Manny has won big and his jumping of weight is reason to light the fire ,,, what do you think it takes to suspect an athlete ? a photo of him shooting up in the change room , a racehorse only has to win a big race and it is tested , look at the big picture mate .
You do know that Floyd has done the same thing right. Why don't you tell me what does it take to suspect an athlete of taking some kind of PHD, since you're the expert on this. Please enlighten us with your wisdom. Please give me an example in regards to Manny of what signs of even photos that you find without any shadow of a doubt that Manny is taking PHD's. Better yet since you know more about this, just prove it. C'mon, show us some credible and legit proof, no opinions or observations, actual legitimate and credible proof.
tyde13, is it possible that roach is also playing mind games just to counter the mayweathers'?
Coz the way I see it, what's the point of agreeing to the Olympic drug test if you're not keen on the entire process? right?
the only ppl roach is playing games with is us.....as long as this shit goes back and forth, the longer the fight takes to get signed.
it's pretty simple, they agreed to the tests, if they have nothing to hide, they should STFU and move on.
So are you going to show me proof that the Olympic testing requires constant blood testing or are you just going to take what Mayweather Sr. says. I posted what i found to be the standard procedure on Olympic drug testing. If that is not correct, please show me one that shows exactly what the Olympic drug testing procedure is. In regards to Roach response of Manny might be affected mentally by the blood test, i still don't see anything wrong or suspicious with that. You're reading into it as being suspicious or even guilty of some wrong doing because of your presumptions that Manny might be doing something illegal. Because if you weren't, you wouldn't even have any doubts because of the fact that there haven't been any legit or creidible cause to even slightly suspect Manny of doing anything illegal. Bottom line is and the fact is, all of you that has doubts and accusing Manny of using PHD's are based on Mayweather Sr.'s accusations, nothing else. You all believe him because you're a Floyd fan and would believe anything to discredit Manny, plain and simple.
what have you posted about "standard" olympic drug testing procedure?
i didn't know you worked for the committee, but since you do, let me ask you, is it normal to test an athlete for 4 weeks, then stop within 6 weeks of the time they perform....
it doesn't matter what "standard" procedure is, all that matters is what's been agreed upon in the contract for this fight.....and neither you or I have seen the contract for the fight. this is not the olympics. and all i know, is what i've been saying, "it's pretty damn strange to agree to testing, but say it has to stop 6 weeks prior to the fight, b/c of some bullshit mental affect it will have on the fighter."
that's fine....it's the 6 WEEKS thing from roach that strikes me as wierd.
yes, i'm a mayweather fan, but i'm not a pacquiao basher.....truth is, if it was camp mayweather saying they didn't want the tests for the 6 weeks leading up to the fight, i'd be questioning them also.....it's just an odd excuse roach gave. he needs to just shut up, and prepare the gameplan.
So are you going to show me proof that the Olympic testing requires constant blood testing or are you just going to take what Mayweather Sr. says. I posted what i found to be the standard procedure on Olympic drug testing. If that is not correct, please show me one that shows exactly what the Olympic drug testing procedure is. In regards to Roach response of Manny might be affected mentally by the blood test, i still don't see anything wrong or suspicious with that. You're reading into it as being suspicious or even guilty of some wrong doing because of your presumptions that Manny might be doing something illegal. Because if you weren't, you wouldn't even have any doubts because of the fact that there haven't been any legit or creidible cause to even slightly suspect Manny of doing anything illegal. Bottom line is and the fact is, all of you that has doubts and accusing Manny of using PHD's are based on Mayweather Sr.'s accusations, nothing else. You all believe him because you're a Floyd fan and would believe anything to discredit Manny, plain and simple.
pacquiao is going to be giving plenty of blood once the fight starts.......pow pow right hand left hook bloods flying all over the place......
Yea he's gonna be bloodied up just like JMM was...oh wait nm
No actually im not for singling out.. But im not against it.
Are some athletes above suspicion because they're more popular and better for the business?
Is this the WWE or are we really fighting
u have nice taste in women too by the way
Ok I see where your going...I'm all for upping the standards of testing our athletes, however, this is singling out pac purely based on Sr's accusations. Pac has never failed a drug test nor does he show the more common symptoms (hardened veins, temperment changes, etc) so yea, I'd say at this point there's no reason to increase suspicion on him at this time. Now if everyone was suspect to random testing such as being proposed I'd be all for it.
What basis do you have to suspect somebody of using enhancing drugs , in sport you only need to be an exceptional winner and have physical signs , Manny has both thats why they are requiring testing and the thing in this is both him and Floyd are getting the same treatment , so its not just Pac .
Manny has physical signs of roid use? Really? Oh, your one of those guys that have never seen an Asian and therefore don't know why we get teased for having big heads. They are not getting the same treatment. Pac is being accused of roiding and has already had his reputation damaged as a result.
So your for singling out an athlete that there is no basis for this accusation? If you were so pro testing you should be shouting for all athletes to go through this process, not just pac.
No actually im not for singling out.. But im not against it.
Are some athletes above suspicion because they're more popular and better for the business?
Is this the WWE or are we really fighting
u have nice taste in women too by the way
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