Help Me Understand Mr Haye

First of all, before all ya'll get your knickers in a twist, I want a decent discussion. So if your a bandwagon, came out of no where love David Haye, for reasons I cant explain than this is not for you. So whats the deal with Haye? Does he just want to make money? Or does he want an easy belt and an easy reign? Or does he want to be the best? 1) If he wanted to prove that he is the best heavyweight. He woulda fought either Klitschko regardless of how many rematch clauses there were in the contract. If he was confident in himself, and he KNEW that he can beat the brothers, than the contract they offered him would be the best thing to happen to him. Think about it. He is offered to fight two of the best heavies there are today, unify the division in one single contract. He'd have all his fights for a year taken care of. With the chance of coming out on top as the best heavy since Lennox 'definitely' Lewis. 2) He wants money. Go back to point #1. No way to make more money than the klitschko contract. None. Klitschko and Haye, 3 fights.....I dunno how much $$$ that would generate in Germany/UK and Europe in general but I figure it could have set some record. 3) Haye talks a lot of shit, gets an easy belt (which he did), fights shot fighters, like Ruiz post belt, and '.22 barrett' before Valuev, so he can get more pussy and make some money without having to put his face through plastic surgery. And lastly, wont the man fight a legit top 10? Ruslan Chagaev Eddie Chambers Alexander Povetkin Tomasz Adamek Tony Thompson Juan Carlos Gomez Samuel Peter Chris Arreola Denis Boytsov Alexander Dimitrenko Why not fight one of those guys? Im sure at least 2 from that list are available and willing. I dont get Haye fans. WTF are you on his nuts for? You have an admiration for his physical attributes or something? You like the way he talks? Or them braids remind you of you getting all wet to Craig David songs...dem look alike. At least Klitschkos, as boring and as much hate one can throw at them, fight undefeated live bodies any chance they get. They fight the best there is to offer, and they were willing to fight HAYE. Bottom line is that, you cant attach any logic to any theory that attempts to justify one as being a Haye fan. Apart from the understandable, "Hayes a brit, Im a brit, I like the guy. Hes from my city block..." that so many for some odd reason are ashamed to admit.

Comments (20)

The only thing smaller than your brain is your penis. A lot of you Klitschkos fans seem to like looking at mens cocks, Tunney even went to a beach to look at them. :rofl:

16y ago

Hitman932

Setanta and Haye have said that his only revenue for the fight was the UK tv rights. So it's you that don't know what you're talking about bitch. He would have recieved no money from German, American TV and the rest of the world and no money from the 60k tickets at the gate. The only thing smaller than your brain is your penis.

16y ago

partacus

These idiots dont have a clue how much Haye was going to make to fight Vitali or Wlad, nor do they have much of an idea how much he made against Valuev. They are merely pretending to know and making assumptions based on what they have read posted by fellow David Haye Biased British Nuthuggers. Fact of that matter is that worst case scenario for Haye if he fought Wlad was making just as much as he did for Valuev. Like you said, if Setanta went bust the Klitschkos wouuld have just found another way to get Haye million and a half bucks and send him home in a body bag. What Haye doesn't like to acknowledge, and his fans never do, is that if Haye had beaten Wlad then the next fight, a unification against Vitali, would probably have made Haye a minimum of 5 millions dollars and maybe upwards of 10. As it is now, regardless of what Haye says, the WBA is very unlikely to allow him to unify because he would lose, the Klitschkos would vacate the WBA right away, and the belt would be made to look like the worthless piece of garbage that it is. Setanta and Haye have said that his only revenue for the fight was the UK tv rights. So it's you that don't know what you're talking about bitch. He would have recieved no money from German, American TV and the rest of the world and no money from the 60k tickets at the gate.

16y ago

Banderivets

You're putting way too much emphasis on Haye's smack talk. It's just bullsh*t the same as any other fighters. He took an alternative route which meant winning a belt, and providing he gets past Ruiz is in a much better position as a title holder to negotiate a fight with either K brother. He's going to fight at least one of them at some point, that's where the money is and now he's a belt holder he can command a larger % age and a better contract. That's all there is to it. Okay, then Haye wants easy money without the risk...He doesnt want to show everyone that he is the best like he says he is. That was one of the categories in the first post.

16y ago

NorvernRob

16y ago

Hitman932

Read the first post. Haye is the best. He says he can win, he knows he can win. Him loosing should never be a factor for him in that contract. He's the best remember? I still dont follow. 3 fights make more money than 1 fight. any fight with Klitschko, 1 or 3 makes more money than Valuev fight. Help me out. These idiots dont have a clue how much Haye was going to make to fight Vitali or Wlad, nor do they have much of an idea how much he made against Valuev. They are merely pretending to know and making assumptions based on what they have read posted by fellow David Haye Biased British Nuthuggers. Fact of that matter is that worst case scenario for Haye if he fought Wlad was making just as much as he did for Valuev. Like you said, if Setanta went bust the Klitschkos wouuld have just found another way to get Haye million and a half bucks and send him home in a body bag. What Haye doesn't like to acknowledge, and his fans never do, is that if Haye had beaten Wlad then the next fight, a unification against Vitali, would probably have made Haye a minimum of 5 millions dollars and maybe upwards of 10. As it is now, regardless of what Haye says, the WBA is very unlikely to allow him to unify because he would lose, the Klitschkos would vacate the WBA right away, and the belt would be made to look like the worthless piece of garbage that it is.

16y ago

partacus

16y ago

Banderivets

He wasn't guranteed to win the fight. Read the first post. Haye is the best. He says he can win, he knows he can win. Him loosing should never be a factor for him in that contract. He's the best remember? :dunce: He made more money in the fight than he would have in a Klitschko fight. How hard is that to understand? You're comparing the purse from 3 fights to 1. I still dont follow. 3 fights make more money than 1 fight. any fight with Klitschko, 1 or 3 makes more money than Valuev fight. Help me out.

16y ago

partacus

You telling me, if he had all the UK TV rights for a 3 Klitschko fights he would have made less money than this one Valuev fight. Sorry mate. Not possible. He wasn't guranteed to win the fight. :dunce: He made more money in the fight than he would have in a Klitschko fight. How hard is that to understand? You're comparing the purse from 3 fights to 1.

16y ago

Banderivets

He got the TV rights, then the TV company that was behind him went bust and he was going to get paid nothing. Common man, Setanta went bust. They would redraw the contract when it did. Obviously Haye needs money...who would sign a contract with one guy not making shit? There would ahve been a solution. Instead Setanta going bust was the perfect excuse to opt out of the contract. Even though its obvious that the contract would have been changed to accomodate the fact that setanta in no more.

16y ago

MANGLER

I was excited as hell to see Haye enter HW at first. But he talked too much without follow thru. We'll see what he does next yr.

16y ago

Banderivets

He only got the UK tv rights in the Klitschko contract, he got a percentage of everything in the Valuev one. He made a lot more money vs Valuev than he would have fighting the Klitschko's. You telling me, if he had all the UK TV rights for a 3 Klitschko fights he would have made less money than this one Valuev fight. Sorry mate. Not possible.

16y ago

Ryn0

He only got a percentage of the UK tv rights in the Klitschko contract, he got a percentage of everything in the Valuev one. He made a lot more money vs Valuev than he would have fighting the Klitschko's. He got the TV rights, then the TV company that was behind him went bust and he was going to get paid nothing.

16y ago

partacus

Talk all the shit you want, just back it up, not back out of it. Haye backed out. He woulda made more out of a 3 fight klitschko contract than he will the rest of his HW career which will be over after either Klitschkos KOs his ass. So that dont fly either.... He only got a percentage of the UK tv rights in the Klitschko contract, he got a percentage of everything in the Valuev one. He made a lot more money vs Valuev than he would have fighting the Klitschko's.

16y ago

Banderivets

Again 'talking shit' - How many boxers do this? ffs are you a child or something? Haye wasn't in the top 10 HW - yes? he would of have to prove himself which would of took a few fights. Instead, he trash talked the two brothers and they are mad at him and want to fight him. :rofl: Only one winner there. Come again? I guess you meant to say that Haye talked his way into a fight with klitschko. Correct. But he didnt fight them when he got the chance? So what was the point in the first place?

16y ago

Ryn0

He has to fight Ruiz, when he agreed to fight Valuev the WBA said the winner MUST fight Ruiz in order to keep his belt and Haye was Valuev's voluntary defense. He is the second ever fighter to make the jump from CW to HW and grab some hardware, with only 22 fights. He grabbed a CW belt with only 20 fights and unified right afterwards. Now I'm willing to bet after Ruiz he will fight a Klitschko granter he wins and Valuev doesn't have the option to an rematch after Ruiz. His resume at only 23 fight is also impressive and everyone loves a knockout artist. He has fought: Williams (former CW title holder at 10 fights in) Glen Kelly (shot) Giacobbe Fragomeni (future CW title holder) Jean Marc Mormeck (CW - WBC and WBA) Enzo Maccarinelli (CW - WBO) Monte Barrett (past it) Nikolai Valuev (HW - WBA) All but one of those ended by KO.

16y ago

Banderivets

Haye like many other boxers trash talk - why should this downgrade him? Hopkins had the flag situation, Mayweather talks trash etc etc. Haye has speed and power, he's an exciting fighter unlike the rest of the bums. Talk all the shit you want, just back it up, not back out of it. Haye backed out. The reasons for turning down Wlad and Vitali - Money. He woulda made more out of a 3 fight klitschko contract than he will the rest of his HW career which will be over after either Klitschkos KOs his ass. So that dont fly either....

16y ago

HM_Luke

16y ago

Banderivets

I don't think so. This way he could have two easy fights (if the Ruiz-fight goes as planned), get some more experience in the HW division AND get a much better deal since he's bringing something to the table. He'll still get his shot I think, just 1 year later which will be much better for him imo. No, I'm not the biggest Haye-fan. Far from it. But I think he has some interesting qualities and is good for the lousy HW division we're seeing today. Hopefully he can beat steroid-Vit or Wlad, but it'll be tough for him to do so. I would respect him if he said "I want more experience at HW". Or if he would stop talking shit and just fighting guys showing people that hes feeling out the division. But sorry boss, the shit dont fly. The man came in saying off the bat that he wants to fight the best cause he's the best right this moment. Was offered that and picked a 7foot ruskie lumberjack instead. So the above simply prove that Haye is a shit talker.

16y ago

HM_Luke

Because 95% of the Heavyweights are fat and low skilled. Wlad is a boring fighter and Vitali is on his last legs. Valuev - less said the better, he would be nothing if he wasn't a giant. Haye like many other boxers trash talk - why should this downgrade him? Hopkins had the flag situation, Mayweather talks trash etc etc. Haye has speed and power, he's an exciting fighter unlike the rest of the bums. Don't we all hope for an exciting fighter to come and beat these giants who've controlled the HW division for years? I know I do. The reasons for turning down Wlad and Vitali - Money. Answer me this, which boxer would fight for 'free'? no fighter would.

16y ago