Are Pacquiao fans that uneducated? Have they ever seen a prime version of DLH?
There's no way, not at any weight class, that a prime Pacquiao would've beaten a prime DLH. He would've been too big, too strong and too fast for him. There's no other way around it.
What's even more surprising is that some of them are in denial that DLH wasn't weight-drained and over the hill. :ugh:
This topic is stupid, any reasonable and knowledgeable fight fan knows DLH would have beaten Pac in his prime.
DLH was not himself even when he fought Mayweather and was DONE by the time he fought Pacman.
At the time Mosley fought Oscar, he was faster than Pac is now, through quicker harder combinations and was a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than Pac too.
It's so different it's like apples and oranges. Pac would come and fight. Moving forward and a prime Oscar had a killer jab, which Pac gets hit by very easily, and a one punch KO left hook, which he would also land. If Cotto hit him as much as he did, Oscar who has a much longer reach, quicker hands, more power, more stamina, better boxing skill.....etc etc, he would land it all and more while being able to take everything Pac threw and give more back.
You just can't argue some things with some people though. Pac is 5'6-7" and Oscar is 5'10" right? His reach would a lot more than Pac and Oscar fought tall. Pac would have so much trouble just getting past the jab. He doesn't slip or block jabs well at all and squares up so much that he takes them flush in the face. Oscar jab hurt people and he would land it a lot. He would land his left hook off it too.
well said...
but it doesnt change a thing...
any version of oscar has had issues with speedy guys...
gatti... mayorga... kamau... charpentier, old JCC...
those guys aint fast...
prime this ..prime that....
if your fighter stepped into the ring..he's prime......stop trying to make excuses for the fighter getting beat.....if the fighter stepped into the ring, he felt that he still had it ( was still in his prime )...
its like betting on mighty mouse versus speedy gonzales going 12 rounds...
its not going to happen...your fighter lost...give it up....
not the styles...
the speed...
& the 2nd mosley fight aint robbery...
close but aint a robbery...
the trinidad fight was the robbery...
trinidad aint fast... & he is even more one-dimensional than oscar is...
he lost to shane bcoz he is one-dimensional...
At the time Mosley fought Oscar, he was faster than Pac is now, through quicker harder combinations and was a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than Pac too.
It's so different it's like apples and oranges. Pac would come and fight. Moving forward and a prime Oscar had a killer jab, which Pac gets hit by very easily, and a one punch KO left hook, which he would also land. If Cotto hit him as much as he did, Oscar who has a much longer reach, quicker hands, more power, more stamina, better boxing skill.....etc etc, he would land it all and more while being able to take everything Pac threw and give more back.
You just can't argue some things with some people though. Pac is 5'6-7" and Oscar is 5'10" right? His reach would a lot more than Pac and Oscar fought tall. Pac would have so much trouble just getting past the jab. He doesn't slip or block jabs well at all and squares up so much that he takes them flush in the face. Oscar jab hurt people and he would land it a lot. He would land his left hook off it too.
If Pac can neutralize Oscar left hook and still standing after 8rds. Then Pac wins this fight. Oscar had problems with southpaws and you add Pac speed and power. With Oscar stamina problems. Is really not out of the realm of possibility that Pac can win that fight
Oscar did not have stamina problems. In nearly every major fight he ever had, he won the late rounds, apart from against Mosley and Trinidad in which he just ran on advice of his corner thinking he was up by a mile or at the end of his career.
Go watch his career fights. He nearly always won the late rounds and came on strong at the end of a fight or in the championship rounds. Back then he was known as a strong finisher. Most people either weren't watching boxing then or haven't bothered to even watch most of his fights though. Hence, people thinking Pac would beat him.
Anyway, I agree. A prime Oscar of ten years at any weight would beat Pac at any weight. He was quicker than Pac is now and had easily as much if not more power (definitely more power in his left hook). He was a better boxer, moved better and had a good enough chin to withstand anything he got hit by. Not only that but he wouldn't flag at all down the stretch and would, in fact, come on strong.
Beating guys that are easy to hit and don't have the strongest chins are a whole different ballgame than a prime Oscar. People really have forgotten how good he was back then while overrating how good Pac is now. Or at least overrating his ability to beat certain styles and fighters.
I'm not sure about that. Delahoya was a big puncher at 135 with speed and power. His left hook could put any lightweight to sleep if it landed and his height could give Pacquaio all kinds of problems.135 was Oscars best weight and I would favor him over Pacquiao there.
Well said man, Oscar was more of a beast in the lower weights.
I honestly think that only occured around the time of Sturm onward.
At first he got shit on, but then people found out he was a pretty boy who could fight, but I think a lot of users only have watched him somewhat recently so they base everything off of that and not prime DLH which to me was late 90's, early 00's.
His left hook was something else, most couldn't see that shit coming.
all i have to say is this......
prime oscar did at 147 to a prime tito what hopkins and winky did to tito at 160.
that should be enough. no matter if you thought he lost or not.
oscar may beat pac at 147 but pac beats him at 135-140
I'm not sure about that. Delahoya was a big puncher at 135 with speed and power. His left hook could put any lightweight to sleep if it landed and his height could give Pacquaio all kinds of problems.135 was Oscars best weight and I would favor him over Pacquiao there.
Oscar's chin, combination punching, movement, power, overall speed > Marquez. Oscar right hand isn't a hard punch but he is quick and very accurate with it. I could see Oscar outboxing Pacquiao, I really can. A prime Oscar is a bad style match up for Pacquiao.
people underrate oscar too much.
oscar was a damn good fighter.
no moron.. am talkin about the cotto that fought mosley lol, and all am saying is that he has a better chance of winning than a prime oscar
prime oscar is very underrated.
prime cotto wouldn't last 5 rounds with prime oscar at 147.
cotto = vargas with a worse chin and worse stamina
Are Pacquiao fans that uneducated? Have they ever seen a prime version of DLH?
There's no way, not at any weight class, that a prime Pacquiao would've beaten a prime DLH. He would've been too big, too strong and too fast for him. There's no other way around it.
What's even more surprising is that some of them are in denial that DLH wasn't weight-drained and over the hill. :ugh:
oscar may beat pac at 147 but pac beats him at 135-140
you mean the guy ricardo torres almost put to sleep?
i doubt it.
no moron.. am talkin about the cotto that fought mosley lol, and all am saying is that he has a better chance of winning than a prime oscar
If Manny hit Cotto like Torres hit him, the follow up would've ended that fight.
Cotto looked like a drunken sailor there.
And the lineal thing at welter. That's the equivalent of passing a joint around at a party as many people that were lineal in that division.
It means nada. I blame Vernon Forrest of course.
Thing is, Cotto at 140 ain't all that. I was very surprised when people thought I was crazy, when I said Hatton would have beaten Cotto at 140. Till this day I still believe that.
Marquez is/was a better boxer, DLH was more physically gifted and better overall.
Oscar's chin, combination punching, movement, power, overall speed > Marquez. Oscar right hand isn't a hard punch but he is quick and very accurate with it. I could see Oscar outboxing Pacquiao, I really can. A prime Oscar is a bad style match up for Pacquiao.