IF Pac beats Floyd....whether by Decision or KO....

Exactly. And, for that reason you can not bump Pac that high for this victory. I mean he would get credit. But, should not be top 5, or top 10 all time kind of credit. Care to comment on this one? By Cliff Rold It’s an unlikely scenario for Manny Pacquaio to win a Hatton fight but not entirely inconceivable. If the marginally possible became the recently occurred, it would be the sort of achievement that could become truly transcendent; this generation’s Henry Armstrong triple-crown. http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=11974

:banghead: damn h. :D 0 to 10 is 10. Check : 10-0 = 10. Don't tell me you were the genius that thinks the decade ends next December?

if my nuts are in your throat, you souldnt be able to talk Wow.......

Top 25, sure... maybe Top 15 by some ways of thinking, whether or not he beats Mayweather. Floyd holds no belts, and hasn't fought meaningful comp recently. Beating Shane/Berto would be far more relevant in ATG terms, over the long-haul: 10, 20, or 50 years from now... boxing fans will look at a back-out-of-retirement Floyd who loses to Pac, and shrug --what was that fight all about? Why was it made? co-sign....especially IF Pac can fight the winner of them to Unify.....

Where would he rank in terms of ATG? My opinion....top 10..... 7 Division titleholder, KOing/TKOing each title holder in the process, evolving with each fight, has proven doubters / haters wrong everytime, beaten every type of boxer put in front of him (again IF he beats Floyd)...other than a final showdown with Mosley...what else would there be for Pac to accomplish in boxing? Kinda reminds me of Jordan when he won his 6th title.... Please no hate....only objective opinions and thoughts....we've been on a roll with some good "boxing talk" lately....let's keep it going. DISCUSS! :boxing: TOP 10 At least. I Chalenge every historian here to put 10 Fighters with better resume than Pac.

If you can't even count to ten, should you even be commenting on anyone's top-50 list? :banghead: damn h. :D 0 to 10 is 10. Check : 10-0 = 10.

Pac is def gonna be aggressive but he is still sloppy. Floyd counters all night, i see a TKO stoppage by floyd

Where would he rank in terms of ATG? My opinion....top 10..... 7 Division titleholder, KOing/TKOing each title holder in the process, evolving with each fight, has proven doubters / haters wrong everytime, beaten every type of boxer put in front of him (again IF he beats Floyd)...other than a final showdown with Mosley...what else would there be for Pac to accomplish in boxing? Kinda reminds me of Jordan when he won his 6th title.... Please no hate....only objective opinions and thoughts....we've been on a roll with some good "boxing talk" lately....let's keep it going. DISCUSS! :boxing: IMO, you could argue top 20 though not top 10. In the long scheme of things, the Pbf now would be scrutinized to a point where people will realize he has no belt, (IMO) a tuneup with Jmm for name recall purposes only , and has not faced significant opposition for the last 2-3 years. The Jmm fight did not convince me yet that the Pbf we know prior retirement is the same now.

I look at SRL win over Hagler. It was a competitive fight, and could be anyones win really. Then i look at Pac vs Cotto. Pac busted him up and his face ( no disrespect Cotto i love you), and made him eventually running to survive for his health. That tells you so much. With SRL and Hagler you needed judges to try decide the winner. With Pac you only need to look at the faces of his victims. SRL the way he fought Hagler was really stealing the title really. Hagler werent marked up, neither was SRL. They didnt have the ability to impose their will on each other. Same with Hagler vs Duran. Pac leaves his stamp!

I would place pac in the ATG list between top 15-20.

Don't even follow that list. ESPN did a horrible job with this list. There too biased to the modern era. They didn't even put Harry Greb in the top 10 FFS. No Charles Burley, no George Dixon, or no Bob Fitszimmons. Also to have Oscar De la Hoya over Michael Spinks also a joke. And, to have Whitaker that low is just idiotic. This ESPN list should of never been taken seriously I do agree that Fitsz being left off and Whitaker's ranking are horrible. I still think that given his accomplishments, Pac would have to be in the top 10....top 15 is stretching it in my mind. He is the most accomplished boxer I have witnessed in my lifetime, however I do realize that the overall caliber of modern boxers is subpar to the great champs of the past. Bert Sugar's list may be more fitting but he is fighting in the times that he is fighting, he can't go back in time to challenge his predecessors.

There's a reason why every sport has a 5-7 year waiting period before inducting someone into a Hall of Fame. It's hard to judge while you're in the moment. On one hand, you'll have guys who will take every opportunity to discredit his wins, even one over Mayweather. On the other, you'll have people who will say beating Mayweather is better than anything legends like Roberto Duran or Muhammad Ali did.

nope: Barrera 1-PAST PRIME Morales1-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED-Erik DESTROYED Manny Morales2-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Morales3-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Jmm-1 -Jmm Beat the crap out of Pacroid.. Jmm-2 PAST PRIME – Marquez beat up manny…AGAIN lmfao Barrera2-PAST PRIME Diaz-Got a gift decision against a SHOT Morales.. Delahoya- PASTPRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Hatton- PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Cotto-PASTPRIME? WEIGHT DRAINED based on MEDIA HYPE....yes based on RESUME.... No chance in hell.. LOL... LOL... LOL:bryce:

Pac is doing things that no one has ever done as Arum said. Look at the faces of all the boxers Pac has beat of late and how battered they looked. People are so impressed with him they accuse him of steroids. How people behave towards Pac, speaks volumes and louder than any words will ever do, and all counts towards Pacs greatness and it all adds up. He was favourite against Cotto for good ness sake. Pac has come a long, long way. How many people in Cottos career were favourite against him, let alone someone who came from 116 or is it 106? He is top 10 now perhaps and if he beats PBF, skys the limit. When will people stop saying Pac came from 106 like he was a grown man at that age? Most guys who are WW now were 106 at age 16 also, they were just fighting in the Ams.

seriously..did you compare cotto-someone whos never beat a champ for a belt...to hagler a top 3 middleweight of alltime?? LOL I think he did...

I give Pacquiao credit for what he did to Hatton and I disagree that Hatton was weight drain. Cotto is plainly just a bum who no one should get any credit for beating because his best wins were gift decisions against Mosley(draw) and Clottey(Clottey won that fight). This guys' best real win is against Zab Judah, a win that is seen by many as nothing in Floyd's resume despite Floyd beating Judah 2 years prior than Cotto did. Please tell me you being sarcastic?

Well.......where do boxing historians rank Henry Armstrong. He should be that high if not higher, after all Floyd is supposed to be unbeatable, the best defensive fighter of the past 30 or so years.....maybe beyond that. If Pac brings him his first loss, then he should be in the top 10 no questions. From ESPN: http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Henry Armstrong 4. Joe Louis 5. Willie Pep 6. Roberto Duran 7. Benny Leonard 8. Jack Johnson 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Sam Langford______________________________________________ 11. Joe Gans 12. Sugar Ray Leonard 13. Harry Greb 14. Rocky Marciano 15. Jimmy Wilde 16. Gene Tunney 17. Mickey Walker 19. Stanley Ketchel 20. George Foreman 21. Tony Canzoneri 22. Barney Ross 23. Jimmy McLarnin 24. Julio Cesar Chavez 25. Marcel Cerdan 26. Joe Frazier 27. Ezzard Charles 18. Archie Moore 28. Jake LaMotta 29. Sandy Saddler 30. Terry McGovern 31. Billy Conn 32. Jose Napoles 33. Ruben Olivares 34. Emile Griffith 35. Marvin Hagler 36. Eder Jofre 37. Thomas Hearns 38. Larry Holmes 39. Oscar De La Hoya 40. Evander Holyfield 41. Ted "Kid" Lewis 42. Alexis Arguello 43. Marco Antonio Barrera 44. Pernell Whitaker 45. Carlos Monzon 46. Roy Jones Jr. 47. Bernard Hopkins 48. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 49. Erik Morales 50. Mike Tyson Don't even follow that list. ESPN did a horrible job with this list. There too biased to the modern era. They didn't even put Harry Greb in the top 10 FFS. No Charles Burley, no George Dixon, or no Bob Fitszimmons. Also to have Oscar De la Hoya over Michael Spinks also a joke. And, to have Whitaker that low is just idiotic. This ESPN list should of never been taken seriously

Im a bit undecided and uncertain of my top 10. But i know what Pac has achieved. What he has achieved in comparison to the Durans, and SRLs of this world. Duran is agreat and all that, but he wasnt expected to beat Marvin Hagler. Yet Pac eventually convinced people that he would beat Cotto. And most people expected him to. I know what Pacs victims have achieved, ie hatton, Cotto etc. I know what Pac did to Hatton at 140, and Cotto 145. lol your Duran and Pac comparison is really not that good. That was Hagler an ATG at MW also. Where Hargler is clearly top 5 all time. Do you think Pac would of been expected to beat Hagler at MW? Do you think people would of been convinced that Duran would of beat Cotto? Do you think Hatton at 140 and Cotto at 145 were ATG's? Honestly what would of Duran do them if he would of fought them?

Well.......where do boxing historians rank Henry Armstrong. He should be that high if not higher, after all Floyd is supposed to be unbeatable, the best defensive fighter of the past 30 or so years.....maybe beyond that. If Pac brings him his first loss, then he should be in the top 10 no questions. From ESPN: http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Henry Armstrong 4. Joe Louis 5. Willie Pep 6. Roberto Duran 7. Benny Leonard 8. Jack Johnson 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Sam Langford______________________________________________ 11. Joe Gans 12. Sugar Ray Leonard 13. Harry Greb 14. Rocky Marciano 15. Jimmy Wilde 16. Gene Tunney 17. Mickey Walker 19. Stanley Ketchel 20. George Foreman 21. Tony Canzoneri 22. Barney Ross 23. Jimmy McLarnin 24. Julio Cesar Chavez 25. Marcel Cerdan 26. Joe Frazier 27. Ezzard Charles 18. Archie Moore 28. Jake LaMotta 29. Sandy Saddler 30. Terry McGovern 31. Billy Conn 32. Jose Napoles 33. Ruben Olivares 34. Emile Griffith 35. Marvin Hagler 36. Eder Jofre 37. Thomas Hearns 38. Larry Holmes 39. Oscar De La Hoya 40. Evander Holyfield 41. Ted "Kid" Lewis 42. Alexis Arguello 43. Marco Antonio Barrera 44. Pernell Whitaker 45. Carlos Monzon 46. Roy Jones Jr. 47. Bernard Hopkins 48. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 49. Erik Morales 50. Mike Tyson

nope: Barrera 1-PAST PRIME Morales1-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED-Erik DESTROYED Manny Morales2-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Morales3-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Jmm-1 -Jmm Beat the crap out of Pacroid.. Jmm-2 PAST PRIME – Marquez beat up manny…AGAIN lmfao Barrera2-PAST PRIME Diaz-Got a gift decision against a SHOT Morales.. Delahoya- PASTPRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Hatton- PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED Cotto-PASTPRIME? WEIGHT DRAINED based on MEDIA HYPE....yes based on RESUME.... No chance in hell.. Horrible horrible post. Resume wise... Only fighter to win 4 lineal titles in 4 different weightclasses. Resume wise only in over a hundred years in history to win a Flyweight title and a Featherweight title... Come on now... Give credit where is due man...