If you like clean, effective punching, Sergio Martinez won

What is with you shitting on Williams..... Like Reed said...people on this fukking forum need to take a step back ..stop bitching and realize we just got treated to the fukking fight of they year......FOR FREE. Williams fought his ass off...vs. a guy with the style tailor made to BEAT HIM...Williams took 3 fights vs. guys like that..... Quitana 1 & 2 Martinez Williams did the best he could agist a GREAT fighter...Sergio showed mad skills..body shot right hook combos...left hand leads...double and triple jabs..he had a good gameplan... Dont shit on Paul Williams he fought his ass off...and someone say Sergio won..they have a case and if someone say Wlliams won THEY have a case. Willams takes on ALL styles...he fights guys that are tailored made to beat him and people bitch??? UGH I hate these bitch ass posters. Good lord. Are you sippin the purple drink a bit too much? Asserting that a fighter lost is not shitting on him. You even agree that Williams lost, so what are you tryting to prove? Williams takes on all styles yes but he lost against Quintana and he got beat by Martinez its obvious.

exactly. williams showed heart and chin, but he showed wayyy more flaws than attributes Agreed. I just can't see where Williams won the fight. Even Joe Calzaghe would laugh at Williams' form.

Martinez didn't even get knocked down, he ducked and slipped in round 1, the biased hometown ref saw it and still gave a count. Martinez wasn't even hurt at any point of the fight. Martinez won clearly. It was nothing like Calzghe, Hopkins (Hopkins didn't do shite after round 1), or Dirrell, Froch when Dirrel should have won on points.

Martinez was working Williams. he blasted him with right hooks, targeted the body in the middle rounds, and then blasted Williams in the later rounds with his left. Williams showed heart, and toughness, but i think he just came up a little short. still a close fight, but anyone who sits through that fight having Williams ahead must have been ignoring what Martinez was doing in the mid-rounds. i don't give points to a fighter for pressuring alone.

Martinez landed the harder blows it seems like for sure. If Williams and Martinez can't get in the ring with any other interesting opponents, a rematch is a no brainer.

Martinez was slicker Williams just had workrate. Martinez got robbed Who do you feel won between Froch-Dirrell?..

It was close but I thought Williams won.

Martinez got hit ut not as much as Williams did nor as hard as Williams did. He made Williams missed so many punches and with his hands down, that shit was ridiculous. Martinez didnt got hurt once, Williams got hurt several times during the fight. This is a waste of time with that comment. Your head is up Martinez ass.

LOL, this is a race thing now. Not on my side. Ok, so why do you assume Paul Williams fans are also Mayweather fans? Sorry but I see through you like glass.

you REALLY wanna talk about who missed a lot of shots...? :rofl: I saw Paul consciously duck about 2 or 3 right hooks.... Williams looked like a total amateur.

In other words Martinez never missed punches, never got hit, never got hurt, Paul Williams didn't adjust after the first 3 rounds. Real objective observation you have there. . Paul Williams was doing the same thing the entire fight. If it wasn't for Martinez stamina issues, it would've been a brutal beatdown. Tell me what Williams gave Martinez differently after the 3 rounds?? Besides landing slappy punches and looking like an amateur. If it was an amateur fight, I agree, Williams wins but this is not the amateurs.

You just hit the nail on the head. The TS even threw Mayweather's name into this which clearly shows his closet racist mentality. LOL, this is a race thing now. Not on my side.

Hopkins beat Calzaghe Dirrell beat Froch Martinez beat (schooled) Williams Williams was jabbing air half the time this is not effective aggression. US judging is getting to the German standard

Seriously. A lot of people on here thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Dirrell beat Froch, JMM beat Pacquiao, etc. But everybody here thinks Williams beat Martinez. There's a certain stereotype it seems that only certain fighters are clean/effective punchers while backing up/boxing, and I know a lot of people like Paul Williams, but the fighters should be held up to the same standard. As the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said, "WHICH ONE IS IT?!" As for the fight, there really was no clear winner, if anybody though you'd have to give it to Martinez, because he clearly landed the harder more effective shots throughout the fight. I know Williams was more busier but in so many other fights the argument is used that workrate doesn't matter, clean/effective punching is the determining factor. Compubox says Williams landed more but Martinez had the harder shots. Just look at Williams' face after and then Martinez. I just looked at the master scorecards, and noticed something huge. The judge Lynne Carter (wtf are women doing judging boxing anyway), scored the first round 10-9, I don't know why, even the old geezer scored it 10-10, Lederman who had the only reasonable score scored it for Martinez. Now, back to my point. HAD Lynne Carter scored the round for Martinez, the fight is a Majority Draw. Now, everybody who watched the fight knows the punch Williams landed on Martinez in the first round never landed, it should be ruled a slip. Had that been scored correctly, we have Lynne Carter's scorecard ruling the fight for Martinez. It would still be a draw because of the other 2 gophers. http://*********.com/wp-content/uploads/williamsmartinez.gif Good post. I figured the 1st round would have come into play with the decision. Martinez slipped and Williams didnt know who he was after his KD, imagine if there was time left in the round.

Martinez was superior in every category! Defense - Martinez made Williams miss so many punches it wasnt even funny! Clean effective punching - Thats not even deatable Effective agression - Well look at martinez accuacy and all the times he hurt williams and made him look silly. Ring Generalship - Martinez used the ring better, and adjusted very well in the fight, will Williams looed lost at sea for lots of round!!! I dont care if it was by a point or 10, Martinez got robbed of a victory!!!!!! In other words Martinez never missed punches, never got hit, never got hurt, Paul Williams didn't adjust after the first 3 rounds. Real objective observation you have there. .

Seriously. A lot of people on here thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Dirrell beat Froch, JMM beat Pacquiao, etc. But everybody here thinks Williams beat Martinez. There's a certain stereotype it seems that only certain fighters are clean/effective punchers while backing up/boxing, and I know a lot of people like Paul Williams, but the fighters should be held up to the same standard. As the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said, "WHICH ONE IS IT?!" As for the fight, there really was no clear winner, if anybody though you'd have to give it to Martinez, because he clearly landed the harder more effective shots throughout the fight. I know Williams was more busier but in so many other fights the argument is used that workrate doesn't matter, clean/effective punching is the determining factor. Compubox says Williams landed more but Martinez had the harder shots. Just look at Williams' face after and then Martinez. I just looked at the master scorecards, and noticed something huge. The judge Lynne Carter (wtf are women doing judging boxing anyway), scored the first round 10-9, I don't know why, even the old geezer scored it 10-10, Lederman who had the only reasonable score scored it for Martinez. Now, back to my point. HAD Lynne Carter scored the round for Martinez, the fight is a Majority Draw. Now, everybody who watched the fight knows the punch Williams landed on Martinez in the first round never landed, it should be ruled a slip. Had that been scored correctly, we have Lynne Carter's scorecard ruling the fight for Martinez. It would still be a draw because of the other 2 gophers. http://*********.com/wp-content/uploads/williamsmartinez.gif I thought that the fight should have been ruled a draw as well but that one judge made sure that would not happen 119-110. The first rd should have been 10-9 Martinez or 10-10 worst case. Martinez had a much better kd of Williams and landed the better punches in rd 1, the Martinez kd looked suspect. Close fight but boxing judging is trash lately and seems to always rip off the foreign guy.

I had Martinez winning two rounds, that's it. There were a lot of close rounds but I gave almost all of them to Williams. He threw more and landed more in all of those rounds.

I'm just saying if you thought Froch beat Dirrell and Martinez beat Williams, there is something fishy about that. If you score fights based on color or appearance then I would understand, but don't go around changing your opinions on what is it that wins fights. You just hit the nail on the head. The TS even threw Mayweather's name into this which clearly shows his closet racist mentality.

I'm just saying if you thought Froch beat Dirrell and Martinez beat Williams, there is something fishy about that. . No, if you thought Dirrell and Martinez won their respective fights, you'd be right. But can you tell me why Dirrell won?

Martinez was slicker Williams just had workrate. Martinez got robbed