De La Hoya was the measuring stick for which greatness was determined

Yeah, well we have different opinions on the fight then. Because I think the fight was pretty close. And this has nothing to do with me not liking Floyd. I think he's a good fighter, I just don't hug his nuts. And I think he talked way to much smack to make such a boring fight. BIGGEST SPARRING SESSION OF 2007. YEAH!!!!! 59.99$ please. Mayweather-DLH was far more entertaining than Pacquiao-DLH. Talk about a $60 ripoff.

Aside from DLH vs Floyd, i completely agree with this thread. DLH was most defiantly the measuring stick for which greatness was determined.

Floyd fight is not controversial. Floyd won that fight easily, the scores were closer than it should've been. Yeah, well we have different opinions on the fight then. Because I think the fight was pretty close. And this has nothing to do with me not liking Floyd. I think he's a good fighter, I just don't hug his nuts. And I think he talked way to much smack to make such a boring fight. BIGGEST SPARRING SESSION OF 2007. YEAH!!!!! 59.99$ please.

The 2nd fight with Mosley was defiantly controversial. Trinidad controversial. Mayweather controversial (this fight could of went either way, face it floyd fans, ur boy did the opposite of what he said he was going to do, FIGHT) Floyd fight is not controversial. Floyd won that fight easily, the scores were closer than it should've been.

If you take a look at Oscar's career, and his opponents, it's easy to see Oscar was the measuring stick for greatness throughout his career. Take a look at Oscar's career: Wins Ruelas (Good, not great) Genaro Hernandez (Good, not great) Julion Cesar Chavez (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Whitaker (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Camacho (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Quartey (Good, but not great) Oba Carr (Good, not great) Gatti (Good, not great) Castillejo (Good, not great) Vargas (Good, not great) Sturm (Good, not great, controversial) Mayorga (Good, not great) Losses Trinidad (Great, but since it was controversial, it could've been Oscar's only GREAT win) Mosley (Great) Hopkins (Great) Mayweather (Great) Pacquiao (Great) The Sturm and Trinidad fights are really the only exceptions. Sturm most people believe beat Oscar, including me. Trinidad, many thought Oscar did enough to win. If those two decisions were reversed, Oscar would have 1 win against a great, and only 1 loss against a "good" fighter. But amazingly enough, even the controversial decisions prove the point that Oscar was the measuring stick for boxing throughout his career. If you were great, you beat Oscar, if you were just good, you didn't. Pretty incredible how his career played out. The 2nd fight with Mosley was defiantly controversial. Trinidad controversial. Mayweather controversial (this fight could of went either way, face it floyd fans, ur boy did the opposite of what he said he was going to do, FIGHT)

What's great about Oscar is that his competition was second to none in spite of it not having to be. He was a huge draw, he could have hand picked his opponents and still got paid, but he went out of his way to fight the best. He deserves respect for that. That said, he lost to Quartey no doubt. Thinking about it. Had DLH hand picked his opponents, his record may have been much better and he might have won more titles. That being sad, his level of competition is one of his major assets in terms of credentials.

one thing Oscar did and that was take the hard fights, he never ducked anyone, sadly though he didn't win against the great fighters.

What's great about Oscar is that his competition was second to none in spite of it not having to be. He was a huge draw, he could have hand picked his opponents and still got paid, but he went out of his way to fight the best. He deserves respect for that. That said, he lost to Quartey no doubt.

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Quartey (Good, but not great) controversial Yes, my mistake Dynamite. In fact, I believe Quartey clearly won that fight. But again, it's funny because even though it was controversial, it ended up how it always did. If you were good - You lost to DLH If you were great - You beat DLH Funny how it all worked out in the end.

Right, like I said, some wins/losses were debatable. But somehow now that his careers over, you can look and see that the way it played out, the greats beat him, the "goods" did not. Yes and lets not forget Quartey also arguably beat him too. Still very good point.

Oscar is disrespected as all hell on here. The guy fought and gave hell to a lot of great fighters.

i think the guys who beat DLH and deserve major credit are pbf and sugar shane. shane defeated a prime DLH, a fighter who if he was around today would probably clean up the WW and LMW division. pbf a tthe time was still a natural LWW, was fighting 2 weight divisions above his natural weight class, against DLh who at the time was a top 10 p4p and he was fighting on DLH's terms - you have to give lil' floyd major props. Delahoya was not even in p4p discussions when he fought Mayweather. I give credit to Mayweather for moving up and fighting Delahoya but beating Delahoya was no longer a huge accomplishment anymore by the time Mayweather stepped in the ring with him. It was a guaranteed victory and the biggest payday for Mayweather at the time.

De La Hoya was the measuring stick for which greatness was determined That's the biggest lmao, load of bullsh*t I've ever heard, Are you f**kin' kiddin' me ? De La Hoya was a walkin' $$$$$ to all the other fighters, that's why they wanted to fight him, nothin' more, nothin' less!! For you to say that De La Fraud was the benchmark for greatness, where does that leave RJJ, Holyfield and a few others from the 90's ?? He just stated a case and proceeded in validating his points. It's actually very good. In today's times, marketability is also one of those greatness factors. And DLH is the portal to that marketability. You are right there. Maybe TS should just include "for the following weights only" because you are nitpicking greats in the heavier weight classes.

Oscar wrote the blueprint on how to beat Tito, its a shame he went on his bike for the last 4 rounds

If you take a look at Oscar's career, and his opponents, it's easy to see Oscar was the measuring stick for greatness throughout his career. Take a look at Oscar's career: Wins Ruelas (Good, not great) Genaro Hernandez (Good, not great) Julion Cesar Chavez (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Whitaker (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Camacho (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him) Quartey (Good, but not great) Oba Carr (Good, not great) Gatti (Good, not great) Castillejo (Good, not great) Vargas (Good, not great) Sturm (Good, not great, controversial) Mayorga (Good, not great) Losses Trinidad (Great, but since it was controversial, it could've been Oscar's only GREAT win) Mosley (Great) Hopkins (Great) Mayweather (Great) Pacquiao (Great) The Sturm and Trinidad fights are really the only exceptions. Sturm most people believe beat Oscar, including me. Trinidad, many thought Oscar did enough to win. If those two decisions were reversed, Oscar would have 1 win against a great, and only 1 loss against a "good" fighter. But amazingly enough, even the controversial decisions prove the point that Oscar was the measuring stick for boxing throughout his career. If you were great, you beat Oscar, if you were just good, you didn't. Pretty incredible how his career played out. Quartey (Good, but not great) controversial

The Tito fight was a draw in my eyes and he did beat Mosley in the second fight. he had the for me one of teh greates resume of all time, with his wins and loses! The level of competition is second to none. Who fought better competetition in the last 20 years? I can't think of anyone.

fukk de la hoya...im glad that he got retired in that fashion Really Mak? I know he was a bit of a pain in the ass, but what he did for the sport is incredible. Without De La Hoya, Manny wouldn't be making the money he does today and neither would Floyd. Oscar paved the way for those big paydays for smaller fighters. Not only that, but fighting Oscar allowed Manny to be a huge star and propelled his career to new heights.

I thought ODH easily beat Mosley in their rematch. Its simple, he lost the first fight because he used the wrong tactics. He tried to fight Mosley instead of outbox him like he did in their return match. ODH was a great fighter, it wouldnt of been so bad had he lost to Sturm because Oscar had no business going to the middleweight division anyway. But the robberies against Tito and Mosley affected his legacy, he should of got those wins Totally agree here. He catches so much shit for his losses, but if he had got the decisions like he should have then he splits with Mosely and owns Tito.

If you really think about it, Besides B Hop and Pacman, all of De La Hoya's losses could have possibly gone his way as well. Both Mosley fights I can see people say he won, Trinidad well that one is a given, and the Mayweather bout I thought Mayweather won it pretty clearly, but some people do seem to feel De La Hoya won that fight. Basically I'm just trying to say, does this mean De La Hoya is great? or just really good?