Explain why Pac should Call the shots for this fight or Explain why Floyd should.

Im changing my tune reading all the exchanges here. IT SHOULD BE 65-35 FOR PAC! FLOYD DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE 20% BUT I'M BEING GENEROUS NOW. Floyd is a FRAUD, that's a FACT not an opinion.

Wanted to add pac Delahoya-Pacquiao: 1.25 Mil 1 american Pacquiao-Cotto: 1.25 MIL Pacquiao–Hatton: 850K Pacquiao–Marquez 2: 400K Pacquiao–Barrera: 350K Morales-Pacquiao 3: 360K Morales-pacquiao 2: 350k Morales-pacquiao: 340K Pacquiao–Diaz: 250K 1 american Pacquiao–Solis: 200K 5,600,000 floyd Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL 2 Americans Mayweather-Marquez: 1.05 MIL 1 American Mayweather-Hatton: 925K 1 American Mayweather-Judah : 390K 2 American Gatti-Mayweather: 360K 2 American Mayweather-Baldomir: 340K 2 American 5,465,000 . With Pac fighting less Americans its still a solid #..

WTF is all this analyzing for?? they're both big draws.. it should be 50/50 and if floyd dont like it then he can **** off pac dont need him anyway..

-It was a fact the us didn't care about fight under Heavy Weight up until just after Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis era ended. - Records like 300k buys? thats nothing to brag about and that was over 5 yrs ago. I dnt believe the last part is true and Floyd in his worse selling fight to date sold more in that fight than nearly half of Pacs fights. Some of those fights include the record breakers you speak of. None of these reasons to me are significant enough to warrant Pac any shot calling privileges. That in the bold is not true. The US cared about Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns and that was before the Tyson era. They cared about Oscar fights which Oscar was the first to do a mili at WW. During the Lewis era. The WW division has cache. Anything under the WW is just not the same for the U.S

LMFAO! kalion im just tryin to follow your user name title. Seriously, the texans are the new red sox. constantly trying to find ways to emotionally destroy their fan base's mind, body, & soul. kris brown = 2nd coming of Ray Finkle http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/user_pictures/0009/8890/finkle_profile_page.jpg Laces out Dan!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for your boxing post, more Flomoholic boxing gibberish. The Texans are a head case. They love to do shit to break thier fans hearts and they never seem to run out of new ways to accomplish this. Games that end with them with 4 tries from the 1 yard lines. Games that end with fumbles on the 1 yard line. Games that end with FG missed from reasonable range by unreasonable amounts. Games that end with Interceptions deep in thier opponenents territory Games that end with Multiple score comeback from the opposing teams. The list goes on. But uh, **** you for talking about my Texans. Whos your team?

You asked for opinions on who deserves more. You asked for explanations of posters' opinions as stated. I gave you my opinion. I explained my opinion. It's immaterial to you because it doesn't fit your agenda. You are a fool. Pac deserves more, because he has done more to earn more. Both are draws. But in negotiations, Pac's team will laugh at PBF demanding more for these reasons. You cannot read, or simply choose not to. Either way, you are a dumbass. I asked for you to explain why you felt either fighter deserves the larger split. I was hoping idiots like you wouldn't come in and start spewing a bunch of biased opinionated bullshit. Everyone else here was following protocol until your ass came in here ready to talk shit.You are still on that "PBF has no fans" bullshit so that alone speaks volumes about just how you much know.When the fight is made, and Floyd gets the larger share what will be your excuse? You think Bob Arum is bringing up the shit your talking about in negotiations? Now run along now and leave this thread to people who like to debate with facts, not opinions and shit talking. Come back with numbers or **** you.Have a nice life!

jesus christ monkey balls kalion, your boxing intuition & overall mental comprehension is as mediocre as your houston texans. Let me ask you a question, Is being the 1# p4p best fighter in the sport, 1# p4p most exciting fighter in the sport, being a first ballot hall of famer, certified living legend, having the better resume, having a official welterweight belt & junior welterweight belt, along with having a great fan base & a legitimate ticket seller compared to AFraid Mayweather jr. worth at least 50%? Afraid Jr. fought oscar may 2007. Its gonna be 2010. Afraid Jr. was the biggest star in boxing, WAS. NOW is Pacquiao. Evidence: Pac vs Cotto 1.25 mill, Afraid Jr. vs Marquez 1mil. Stop using the marquez & hatton numbers as a gauge. That was before Pac became a mainstream star. Hell that even helps Pac's cause. before Pac became a cross over mainstream american star he was averaging 350k w/ morales & he & marqeuz set the record for the lower weights with 400k plus. That is between 2 non english speaking non american fighters who dont live in america fighting in america. Pretty impressive. How much did Afraid Mayweather Jr. pull before oscar? vs Gatti a american boxing action fighter? vs Judah another american? The fact that Pac vs Hatton was only 100k give or take behind Floyd v hatton during a much worser economic time is a testament to the drawing power of the pacquiao. Afraid mayweather jr. already beat hatton, & hatton almost got KO'D by lazcano then had a boring uneventful win vs paulie yet they 2 NON AMERICANS pull 800k plus? Afraid mayweather jr. was the biggest star & draw of the sport. Pacquiao is NOW the biggest star & draw of the sport. Stop living in the past & live in the present. Nice post. But you seem to be doomed by the same logic so many others seem to bestow. you cant compare 4 independent variable, one has to be constant and the others have to manipulative. What Pac and Cotto did dosent say shit about Pacs draw power over Floyds and vice versa. I could make the argument that if Pac in a fight that was deemed to be the biggest of his life, the biggest fight of the year, and the biggest fight in the last 3 years along side Cotto one of the biggest stars in the sport, only sell 200k more and Floyd with a 36 yr old JMM who had only been on 2 PPVs previously in which they together = less than 700k? Or you could claim that Floyd would do more with Cotto than Pac did. Thats why you dont compare the 2 very different situations. Did you take algebra?If so tell me this, which equation is valid. (A+B)>(C+D) So A>C (A+B)>(A+C) So B>C See if you cant understand then expalins whats wrong with your logic. Oh if you say ooooooooone more thing about the Texans IMA HAVE TO CUT YA ASS!!!

50/50 if not agreed than Floyd should fight Sugar Shane if he beat Berto which he can.

but if Floyd-JMM sells more im sure you'd think otherwise ask Horus The only thing that matters about JMM vs PBF is if Pac sold more in his 2 fights or if PBF sold more in his.

You cannot read. These are reasons why Pac deserves more money. He has done more to earn it than PBF has. PBF can't command anything in comparison to Pac. Don't ask questions if you are too biased to deal with truthful answers. And you don't know the difference between a "fact" and "opinion". If anyone is being biased its you for using opinions instead of factual evidence.90% of the shit you said wont even be mention in negotiations. Go find a Pac legacy thread and waste you time there.

You thought wrong. How can you compare what they did with uncommon opponents and try to use that as leverage. but if Floyd-JMM sells more im sure you'd think otherwise ask Horus

i thought the leverage of this big fight is whose ppv will turn out much better? Pac-Cotto outsells Floyd-JMM You thought wrong. How can you compare what they did with uncommon opponents and try to use that as leverage.

Great reasons if the thread was about who do you feel has accomplishsed more or has the better legacy...but since it is not, that has to be considered a fail. Is that like you failed to read his last sentence?

Pac fights everybody. PBF makes excuses to not fight people. Pac aims to entertain the fans. PBF doesn't give a fuck about boxing fans in general or even his own fans in particular. The last 2 years Pac has won 4 titles in 4 divisions. The last 2 years PBF has shamelessly cherrypicked and carried a LW at WW. Pac deserves the bigger split by far. But realistically, even split or we will miss out on the fight. :boxing: Great reasons if the thread was about who do you feel has accomplishsed more or has the better legacy...but since it is not, that has to be considered a fail.

Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout. With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac. Explain that. i thought the leverage of this big fight is whose ppv will turn out much better? Pac-Cotto outsells Floyd-JMM

Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout. With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac. Explain that. Like i said from the beginning. The american audience has never given a crap about fights under welterweight because of the lack of american fighters in those divisions. Half of those ppv fights Pac had were record setting for ppv buys under welterweight. with each most recent topping his previous mark. Tell me why Floyd's most notable opposition has been from 135 and 130 but was relegated to fighting on cable and espn as opposed to ppv.

pac Delahoya-Pacquiao: 1.25 Mil Pacquiao-Cotto: 1.25 MIL Pacquiao–Hatton: 850K Pacquiao–Marquez 2: 400K Pacquiao–Barrera: 350K Morales-Pacquiao 3: 360K Morales-pacquiao 2: 350k Morales-pacquiao: 340K Pacquiao–Diaz: 250K Pacquiao–Solis: 200K 5,600,000 floyd Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL Mayweather-Marquez: 1.05 MIL Mayweather-Hatton: 925K Mayweather-Judah : 390K Gatti-Mayweather: 360K Mayweather-Baldomir: 340K 5,465,000 I dont know the actual live gate numbers so if anyone does feel free to post them. But as far as im concerned the indicatin of who the bigger draw can be analying the PPV from each fight and paying special attention to the common opponents. After doing that I think Floyd deserves to call the shots in this one. Please take in consideration the key points. -Between common opponents, Floyd has outsold Pac by nearly 2m buys. -Floyd averages nearly 1/2 a million more buys per a PPV. -Im not sure how much PPV revenue Pac avg but PBF has the highest of any fighter with more than 5 fights at just over 59mil per fight. Im not saying Pac is not a huge star, but to say he more deserving than Floyd of the lions share is absurd in my opinion. He does have a few tools to bargain with, such as his WBO diamond Belt as well as the fact that he is the P4P #1 and im not sure but he may average more cash per a live gate than Floyd. But the bulk of this money comes from the PPVs and there's a clearly large advantage for Floyd in category. cause its cheap to live in the PI and its expensive to live in the USA... Pac couldn't get poor if he tried.... floyd can lose all his money easy just like tyson. gayweather needs to money more than pac does

so do you agree that Pac has more PPVs, sells more PPVs than Floyd before they fought DLH? just like Horus said "numbers don't lie" Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout. With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac. Explain that.

You keep making it seem as if Pac was a PPV giant before PBF ever A sided his first event. Thats absurd, Floyd in first PPV did more than half of PAC PPVs some of which in the last 3 years. And if you keep claiming PAC was fighting PPV while floyd was on FNF then you gonna have to provide some date cause im calling bullshit on that one. And all this "Pre delahoya" shit for both fighters is bogus. If DLH was the reason Pac and floyd gain superstar status then why didnt mosely become a super star? what about Tito? If you really look at it, the only reason DLH is the PPV king is becuase he fought on the most PPVs. He has the lowest buys/event totals of all the P4P PPV kings. The two most important catergories Most recent Fights and Common Oponents Floyd has a clear edge.Cant argue that, for that reason he calls the shot in this fight to a certain extent. Im not arguing that. I've conceded that from the start. Your thread asked someone to give argument for why Pac should call the shots for this fight and i gave you a damn strong case. It's on you if you disagree as i'm sure both camps are debating this very same issue with the same sticking points for each side in their negotiations.

pac Delahoya-Pacquiao: 1.25 Mil Pacquiao-Cotto: 1.25 MIL Pacquiao–Hatton: 850K Pacquiao–Marquez 2: 400K Pacquiao–Barrera: 350K Morales-Pacquiao 3: 360K Morales-pacquiao 2: 350k Morales-pacquiao: 340K Pacquiao–Diaz: 250K Pacquiao–Solis: 200K 5,600,000 floyd Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL Mayweather-Marquez: 1.05 MIL Mayweather-Hatton: 925K Mayweather-Judah : 390K Gatti-Mayweather: 360K Mayweather-Baldomir: 340K 5,465,000 So basically in 10 PPV's Pacquiao generates about 5.6 million buys.Floyd in 5 PPV's generates about the same amount.So thats nearly the same amount in half the amount of fights.It should be cleared by now who the bigger draw is.