It is a testament to Floyd's career and ability that people have to scratch at minor moments in fights he totally outclassed opponents in order to find anything bad he's shown in the ring. No pictures of solid knockdowns or KO's, just dubious things and claims that people know aren't true, such as DLH almost beat him.
Marquez did give Pac problems, but people forget that besides counter punching he was coming forward, and tagging Manny with Combos, which is something I can't see Floyd doing. To compare their past opponents is dumb, and Irrelevant because they simply cannot determine, or predict who will be victorious amongst the two when they clash. Different styles.
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Marquez has nothing to do with the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight. With that said...
What happens when Floyd "fights" (LOL, Floyd doesn't fight) a very unorthodox, southpaw that doesn't fight from conventional boxing angles, matches him with speed and outmatches him in the power department???
Well basing off of history, he hasn't lost yet and I know JMM doesn't have anything to do with this fight. Why would he? Why would Judah have anything to with this fight either right? All I'm saying is JMM is/was a great counter puncher and has/had some speed on him. He is also intelligent in the ring and he very arguably beat Pac not once but twice. So I was asking what happens when he faces someone far far greater than JMM (who arguably beat Pac twice)?
But you're right Pac will be the only man "fighting". Mayweather will out box him and make him fight Mayweather's fight. If Pac doesn't he'll be countered, timed and out scored. Roach knows this. He has already made statements that it wont be an exciting fight because he cant just go all out vs Mayweather.
Will Pac continue to fight his fight even when countered and beaten to the punch due to his come forward aggressiveness style?
IMO, Offensive aggressiveness favors Mayweather's counter defensive style. Look for Pac to attempt to fight his game the first few rounds to win them but after that is when Mayweather adjusts. It wont be a battle, just Mayweather sticking and moving....... Hitting while not getting hit, that is boxing. This will be a cat and mouse game of chess. The smarter man will win. Who might that be?
There is however ONE legitimate excuse that can be made once its over. I know it sounds familiar........
"Pac isn't ready for a fighter like Mayweather"
When people bring up Zab Judah I hope they acknowledge that Zab Judah has a longer reach than Pacquiao.
He got his ass beat anyway, same with Chop Chop.
Yep and Floyds style speed and accuracy will cut that rate in half , Floyd is a whole new ball game .
Exactly. He is like Hopkins in that respect. It's nearly impossible to keep up your normal workrate against him because everything you throw makes you get hit more. The more you throw, the more you get hit. When that happens, what do you do? Seems pretty obvious to me.
floyd will be on his bike all night ......there is no way he will engage with packy after seeing what pac did to cotto.......he will potshot and hope for a decision but vs a guy with that has arguably the highest workkrate, it wont work......floyd running will be the only thing that'll save him from getting ktfo....
When does this shit come from? Pac has a good workrate but not even close to the highest workrate. He has never kept up an average of 100 punches a round which a few guys used to do all the time. Marg, Williams, Calzaghe etc.
Pac just throws above the average but not anything amazing. :nonono: The only guy he kept up a really good workrate was against DD and what do you expect against a guy that can't hurt you, and can't hit you with anything and that you can hit without trying? Against everyone else he only has a normal good workrate. It's not even debatable that he has arguably the highest workrate because he's not close.
yea but zab caught him when he had his body extended and his legs far apart, its called being off balance.
Still a KD. Without the punch occurring he wouldn't have been knocked over. Doesn't matter how off balance you are, if you get hit by a punch and that causes you to fall over, it's a knock down.
Still, when it comes down to it, Floyd won those fights easily and if that's giving Floyd fits I'd hate to see him in actual trouble.
What is it called when you get knocked out in the first round or the fourth, or get beaten by some old dude who hasn't won a fight in ages? Is that fits too?
I wouldn't say blow him away. I'd say that he'd finally give Floyd some actual competition. It's 100% defense vs. 100% offense. An immovable object vs. an unstoppable force.
Marquez will turn out to be better competition than Pacquaio. At least Marquez was able to get up after being knocked down. Pac won't.
What happens when Pac fights a very smart counter defensive slick styled boxer with great speed that can match his own?
and JMM only equates to half of what I just described.
Marquez has nothing to do with the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight. With that said...
What happens when Floyd "fights" (LOL, Floyd doesn't fight) a very unorthodox, southpaw that doesn't fight from conventional boxing angles, matches him with speed and outmatches him in the power department???
Ribcage buddy. How'd Pacquiao get knocked out twice? Exactly.
Once.
I tried to clear this up ages ago. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265628
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What happens when Pac fights a very smart counter defensive slick styled boxer with great speed that can match his own?
and JMM only equates to half of what I just described.
Somehow all these myths only favor the fighter you are backing... Are you a Flomo? Cuz you certainly sound like one. Maybe you should get diagnosed.
Translation:"I have no counterpoint and never do."
That's another myth that somehow Zab "gasses". Zab has gone 12 plenty of times without "gassing." Including fights with Micky Ward and Cory Spinks. Zab was beaten up by a better fighter and there is no other way to put it..
Somehow all these myths only favor the fighter you are backing... Are you a Flomo? Cuz you certainly sound like one. Maybe you should get diagnosed.
That's another myth that somehow Zab "gasses". Zab has gone 12 plenty of times without "gassing." Including fights with Micky Ward and Cory Spinks. Zab was beaten up by a better fighter and there is no other way to put it..
Yeah and Zab gassed out in 2 rounds its not like he's a professional fighter or anything. Don't forget DLH's magically being hypnotized into not throwing the Jab... don't waste your time on that mess bro
Yeah it was definitely a knockdown and his glove doesn't just touch the ground, you can see it compress, Floyd would've gone down without catching himself. Had it been counted, it might have given Zab more confidence, who knows?]
Yeah that really cost Zab the fight. Yeah OK.
Yes, I've watched the entire fight. Floyd adjusts, Zab gasses. Tell me something new.
That's another myth that somehow Zab "gasses". Zab has gone 12 plenty of times without "gassing." Including fights with Micky Ward and Cory Spinks. Zab was beaten up by a better fighter and there is no other way to put it..