Can we stop saying "fighter X doesn't have the power to keep fighter Y off him"?

Not to get side-tracked, but Ali allowed/forced Foreman to tire out before he went to work. yup. ali also took a lot of punishment. not very many guys would have been able to allow a prime george foreman to maul them like that. in ali's book , he even said he was out on his feet at one time after taking a shot from george.

This makes no sense. Hasn't it been proven throughout boxing history that what you need to keep a fighter off you is a good jab, good footwork, smart defense, and ring generalship? Winky has no power and kept Tito off him all night with a jab, Floyd is not a powerful puncher and even when he fights in the pocket guys don't get to him, and Ali also was not powerful, yet no one could get to him in his prime. i'm no boxing historian but the term "doesn't have the power to keep him off him" has probably been proven right more times than wrong. maybe in some of the biggest fights it hasn't been proven right but those were great fighters. floyd might be able to keep pac off him without power but that's because floyd is a great fighter. you take 2 average boxers , the aggressive one with power and the other trying to box but with no power and more than likely the guy trying to box will "not have enough power to keep the other guy off of him."

Not to get side-tracked, but Ali allowed/forced Foreman to tire out before he went to work. Yeh, l believe that even Foreman said that he cold have gotten up but was to tired and mentally beat.

This makes no sense. Hasn't it been proven throughout boxing history that what you need to keep a fighter off you is a good jab, good footwork, smart defense, and ring generalship? Winky has no power and kept Tito off him all night with a jab, Floyd is not a powerful puncher and even when he fights in the pocket guys don't get to him, and Ali also was not powerful, yet no one could get to him in his prime. a jab, footwork, smart defense and ring generalship isn't enough to stop a relentless tenacious fighter... you have to have enough pop to back up your opponent... otherwise you could say malignaggi was keeping off hatton, diaz, etc... and that's stupid.

This is kinda like the NBA thing where they talk about a guy being too short. That same guy ends up being great and they ask him how do you compete with these huge guys and he says "Ive been short all my life". Get it. Its nothing new to these guys. They obvisously know at this point how to win without the things that they arent super at. green k sent

u dont always need power to keep a guy off u. skill, speed, quick reflexes, timing, accurate punching, good foot work, etc........ also works

This is kinda like the NBA thing where they talk about a guy being too short. That same guy ends up being great and they ask him how do you compete with these huge guys and he says "Ive been short all my life". Get it. Its nothing new to these guys. They obvisously know at this point how to win without the things that they arent super at.

Sumtimes it's true.

Perfect Example: Chris Byrd vs David Tua -Jab kept him at bay all night.

being physically strong and having power is two different things imo...

Yes and no.... First off, Winky is a stronger fighter physically than Tito and much more skilled. So yes he kept him off with a great jab and great defense. Second, Floyd was a power puncher but when he moved up in weight, that power didn't carry over. While Floyd may not be Tyson with his hands, he definitely isn't a feather fisted fighter. Also Floyd has great defense in or out of the pocket. As far as Ali not being powerful, why don't you ask George Foreman who has a granite chin how hard Ali punches. Ali wasn't that hard of a puncher but he could punch none the less. Foreman gave it his all and I remember seeing a video on Foreman responding to Ali, When Ali had asked him, "Foreman is that all you got?!" and Foreman said, "Yes" in that interview. Foreman was pretty much done, Ali knew he had him.

Meldrick Taylor, Whitaker, Willie Pep, Nicolino Locche have proven you don't need power to keep a strong guy off you.

1. Are you implying that fighter x always keeps fighter y off of him. The boxer always beats the puncher? 2. No (to the Ali comment) Not at all. All I'm saying is that you don't need huge power to keep someone off you.

This makes no sense. Hasn't it been proven throughout boxing history that what you need to keep a fighter off you is a good jab, good footwork, smart defense, and ring generalship? Winky has no power and kept Tito off him all night with a jab, Floyd is not a powerful puncher and even when he fights in the pocket guys don't get to him, and Ali also was not powerful, yet no one could get to him in his prime. Yes and no.... First off, Winky is a stronger fighter physically than Tito and much more skilled. So yes he kept him off with a great jab and great defense. Second, Floyd was a power puncher but when he moved up in weight, that power didn't carry over. While Floyd may not be Tyson with his hands, he definitely isn't a feather fisted fighter. Also Floyd has great defense in or out of the pocket. As far as Ali not being powerful, why don't you ask George Foreman who has a granite chin how hard Ali punches.

did you just compare mr x to ali?