The proof then- Manny only defeated fighters in decline.

http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/136769-freddie-roach-believes-cotto-is-damaged-goods/ This is from BEFORE the fight with Cotto. Roach says Cotto is damaged goods. Therefore, ANY victory over him is less impressive. How could it be otherwise? Your opponent was "damaged". Oscar "couldn't pull the trigger". Hatton "can't make weight". Etc. Etc. Freddie has basically explained before each of Manny's last three fights that each rival was washed up, in decline, or recovering. Therefore, he established beforehand Manny couldn't have a good night. There was a 'catch'. Don't get mad at me. Freddie said it. Floyd meanwhile, defeated an Oscar and a Hatton in their primes. Making his victories more impressive. ANY time you fight a guy, whether it be in the ring, or on the street (I realize neither happens to 90% of the tough guys on here- playing Nintendo Wii doesn't count) and someone says the guy you beat was "damaged goods" or "can't pull the trigger" in a fight- YOU know it automatically dilutes any victory you got. You don't look tough or impressive, you look weak for beating up a guy who was in bad health. So why is it different in this case? He's quite honest isn't he. but even if Cotto was Damage goods, manny was the only one capable of beating him. Mannys power had what it takes to hurt Cotto. Mannys stamina had what it takes to Outwork Cotto and Manny Multiple punches had what was needed to break Cottos defense. If you lack Stamina Cotto will be able to recover and hurt you in a worst way than when the fight starts and he himself will be stronger, because he won't be out worked by much. the less stamina you have the less punches you can throw or the less power they will have in some portion of the fight. If you lack Power Cotto will walk right toward you and will be able to break your defense. While not being hurt he will have more stamina and will have a clearer mind to work with making him more precise on his punches and defense. If you lack a high work rate. Cotto will be able to match your punch output and his defense will also be ready and you will have a lesser chance to hurt him. Cotto really cant deal with these three important elements in boxing. He would've have to stick more with the jab and use more of his defense. His reach was the same as manny so he couldn't try to land punches from a distance and not get hit back. Unless it was the jab. And although Cotto does use it he's never done a full fight with it. And I think he expected Manny to get hurt and back away, but Manny took those punches as good as any welter weight and i believe thats something he didn't expect to happen that led Miguel to brawl with Manny instead. And by the time he did Cotto was hurt and his gas tank was getting empty while Manny's tank was full and running on diesel.

"i bet if he faced a lw at WW at 143 and he came in at 145-146 you would talk so much shit. idiot." The thing is- I wouldn't.. and he didn't. So that is irrelevant. It's not the subject of the post. The post is for REALITY and WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WHAT WAS SAID. The post is about not what I say, but what FREDDIE ROACH SAID. And do you live in New Jersey? I'll be at a fight at the Taj Mahal this Friday, then I'll return for the Paul Williams fight on Dec. 5th. I bet if we met up in NJ, you wouldn't talk so much shit. Not to someone's face. Cunt.

http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/136769-freddie-roach-believes-cotto-is-damaged-goods/ This is from BEFORE the fight with Cotto. Roach says Cotto is damaged goods. Therefore, ANY victory over him is less impressive. How could it be otherwise? Your opponent was "damaged". Oscar "couldn't pull the trigger". Hatton "can't make weight". Etc. Etc. Freddie has basically explained before each of Manny's last three fights that each rival was washed up, in decline, or recovering. Therefore, he established beforehand Manny couldn't have a good night. There was a 'catch'. Don't get mad at me. Freddie said it. Floyd meanwhile, defeated an Oscar and a Hatton in their primes. Making his victories more impressive. ANY time you fight a guy, whether it be in the ring, or on the street (I realize neither happens to 90% of the tough guys on here- playing Nintendo Wii doesn't count) and someone says the guy you beat was "damaged goods" or "can't pull the trigger" in a fight- YOU know it automatically dilutes any victory you got. You don't look tough or impressive, you look weak for beating up a guy who was in bad health. So why is it different in this case? i bet if he faced a lw at WW at 143 and he came in at 145-146 you would talk so much shit. idiot.

Don`t let them get to you.They just can`t handle the facts.They love living in a illusion. Thanks, man. If anything, Floyd could feel proud knowing some of his fans take the higher road, and debate with facts.

I'm not racist or biased or small-minded. I'm not gonna call anyone a pactard or anything else just because of their loyalty to the boxer they like. All I'm gonna do is call out people on their bias, and their unfair double standards. It doesn't matter if you're a 'pactard' or a 'floyd stan' or whatever else you call someone. People are small minded, prejudice, and rude based on their character, not who they like. With that being said- Pac fans aren't representing their favorite boxer then. Because Pacman doesn't act like a childish bitch calling people names. His fans do, apparently.

For the 1,000th time I am not trying to "shit on Manny". Learn to read, bitches. I give Manny credit. I can like more than one boxer. I am just calling Freddie Roach to task for his comments- because they dont help Manny and TAKE THE SHINE OFF OF HIS WINS. So, you could argue I'm trying to HELP Manny more than SHIT ON HIM. Dense motherf**kers. Your minds are made up. lol pactard are really something right

For the 1,000th time I am not trying to "shit on Manny". Learn to read, bitches. I give Manny credit. I can like more than one boxer. I am just calling Freddie Roach to task for his comments- because they dont help Manny and TAKE THE SHINE OFF OF HIS WINS. So, you could argue I'm trying to HELP Manny more than SHIT ON HIM. Dense motherf**kers. Your minds are made up.

whats funny is that i dont like Pac as a fighter...at all. but this is ridiculous. if pac says hes a christian, hes a christian. you are the fake attempting to belittle someones beliefs and their god yawn you win have a nice day not going to go back and forth with a moron Pac actions speak louder then words

http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/136769-freddie-roach-believes-cotto-is-damaged-goods/ This is from BEFORE the fight with Cotto. Roach says Cotto is damaged goods. Therefore, ANY victory over him is less impressive. How could it be otherwise? Your opponent was "damaged". Oscar "couldn't pull the trigger". Hatton "can't make weight". Etc. Etc. Freddie has basically explained before each of Manny's last three fights that each rival was washed up, in decline, or recovering. Therefore, he established beforehand Manny couldn't have a good night. There was a 'catch'. Don't get mad at me. Freddie said it. Floyd meanwhile, defeated an Oscar and a Hatton in their primes. Making his victories more impressive. ANY time you fight a guy, whether it be in the ring, or on the street (I realize neither happens to 90% of the tough guys on here- playing Nintendo Wii doesn't count) and someone says the guy you beat was "damaged goods" or "can't pull the trigger" in a fight- YOU know it automatically dilutes any victory you got. You don't look tough or impressive, you look weak for beating up a guy who was in bad health. So why is it different in this case? the fraternity creates these smoke screens......glad you're seein' through it!!.....don't forget that DLH, Hatton and Cotto were mainly one handed fighters!!.....Floyd is a clown as well!!......if you wasn't a Floyd fan I would say good post....but you're intensions are to shit on Manny!!.....fukk Floyd and Manny my dude!!.....park the bandwagons for a minute!!

i get it very well. who are you or anyone to judge and determine how christian anyone is? how they should workship? there are christians who have murdered and have been forgiven...they are still christian. yawn no need to get all buthurt that Pac is a fake nothing will change that he needs to repent . if nobody can judge others then who can tell me.

you are a waste of an account on boxing scene...... It's true. I wish my parents had had an abortion.

we have FREE WILL, dumbass. there isnt one definition of christian and there will never be. lol you dont get it not wasteing my time with you

so what the hell does it mean to be a christian guy it depends what a person wants to accept in his mind rather then Gods will base on faith towards God

Thank you! I tried to stress that shit, too. It shows the fervent bias and mob mentality these cats have, to even say things like I'm showing hate for Manny, etc. etc. It's like, can you even read?? No wonder noone takes boxing fans seriously- they act like f**king children, man. You can't even have a respectful debate/conversation without name calling and so forth. I guarantee noone would act like this face to face if we all met in line before going to see a live fight. you are a waste of an account on boxing scene......

But Pac is one deminsional. He has fast hands and good footwork that keeps he looking good. None of that will work with Floyd. Pac is not on Floyds level and he will see in the fight. Say what you will,Pac cant beat Floyd and he wont even be able to hit him. Give me a break, Manny Pacquiao is anything but one-dimensional. He's one of the most diverse fighters around. Just because he is offensively minded does not mean he just "comes out swinging". Seriously, this argument is growing old and is based on the old style Pacquiao had years ago of "jab-jab-straight". He fights smart now, he varies his offense throughout each round nevermind each fight. He can now counter-punch as well as anyone, throws every punch and combination in the book, can vary his timing and movement and knows exactly when to change gears. Against Cotto he changed from all out defense to all out attack at will. He has the most complete and devastating offense in boxing, no one else comes close.

and Mayweather beat a past-prime Gatti :wave:.

manny is a cheater. fake christian. coward. the only thing i agree with you is that Pac is a fake christian he really needs to read his bible . if he was the real deal he would of quit boxing along time ago

Who takes Roach's trash talk seriously? flomos. even cottos stans denies it.

Who takes Roach's trash talk seriously?

lol cotto the toughest fighter around. manny is a cheater. fake christian. coward. pure hate right thurrrrrr.... LOL are you 12?