I still question it.
Of course I know I'm some guy behind a computer and don't have the mind of Floyd with boxing...but...what are others seeing that Freddie may be seeing as well?
But how is he going to beat Pac?
I look at what he did against JMM and other fights at 147+ and wonder...so?
JMM is a counter-puncher....not an aggressor. Not even that fast. Style-wise and ability, JMM was never going to beat Floyd no matter what weight-divsion or time off.
Ricky Hatton: Prefers to wrestle than punch...thought he could bully Floyd...and was actually allowed into the fight because Floyd just takes off rounds and wasn't jabbing (let alone throwing enough). Now I understand strategy can be too slowly break down a fighter, let the opponent tire himself out a bit before you up the pace...but when did Floyd do that below 147?
Oscar: Despite not landing as cleanly as some like to think, it was close with the score-cards because Oscar was more active than Floyd. If Floyd would have jabbed, use more combos, moved and hit like he did with Chico...maybe a much easier fight and not close on the score-cards. Although maybe more risk....not sure.
Judah: was in the fight for about half but Judah is also known to sometimes have his problems as the fight goes on.
Mitchell: at 147 but it was also his first fight at 147 and was out to prove he could fight at 147 although we should point out this is the same Mitchell that had moved up to 147 from 140 and was destroyed by Tszyu prior.
Not only do I not see the same Floyd but I haven't been entertained by Floyd since his move up to 147...which is also attributed to his style.
Floyd's style is the perfect style to fight Pacquiao. If you look at the two knockdowns against Cotto, they were landed while Cotto was attempting to match speed with Pacquiao and throwing combinations right in front of Pacquiao. Pacquiao is fast, but you guys keep forgetting about the speed of Mayweather as well as the reach advantage that he will have as well. He'll snap Manny's head back with his jab just like Cotto did, but unlike Cotto, Mayweather has a dangerous right hand that he can bring after it. 1-2 then move all night.
Pacquiao really isn't the type of guy that you can pot shot. You NEED 4-5 punch combinations. This is why Hatton gave Floyd problems, Floyd was pot shotting. He's just lucky Hatton can't fight at 147 and is rather "chinny" you might call it (probably due to his terrible defense).
I think Floyd will look good for the first few rounds but it's a matter of time before Pacquiao hits him and then follows up with 5 more punches. Each time he does this floyds small frame will gradually wear down.
Pacquiao will be a lot stronger than Money May.
Just admit it, you love PBF's cock. Denying this will not make your argument any better. Fact is, Mayweather has never faced a fighter the caliber of the Pacman.
I would love to agree with you despite all this trash talk but one thing i'm certain of is that Floyd once hit on anywhere on his head by Pac is surely lights out for him.
There's a reason why he doesn't want to get hit and that is because he is so brittle.
You guys are Manny Pac nuthuggers, you couldn't give this matchup an unbiased look if someone paid you to do it.
I don't even like Mayweather, never been a fan, but if you think that he is gonna lost to Pac because he was momentarily stunned once by a southpaw over 5 years ago then I have to wonder why you even bother posting on the subject.
Just admit it, you love PBF's cock. Denying this will not make your argument any better. Fact is, Mayweather has never faced a fighter the caliber of the Pacman.
that's the thing benny---floyd can dominate and has dominated with his so called "new style" of fighting with just potshotting because of his versatility---that's why i don't read too much into the garbage people say about floyd and his hit and move style because he has soooooooo much more generalship in that ring that he can do whatever he wants to do, whether he potshots or throws combinations----or jabs--or dispenses with the jab---you have to remember floyd's key punches---the lead right hand, the left hook, the jab to the body, and the lead right hand to the body against southpaws, but trust and believe floyd also knows the right hook to the solarplex is a key weapon against southpaws, he has so much in his aresnal, added with his defense, counterpunching, accurate timing, very sharp punches, not sloppy punches, balance, foot coordination, and upperbody movement, rolling off punches, using his opponents pace against them, that's just some of what he does....you people hate to admit this, because you find him boring---i find him brilliant and if there was a fighter who couldn't be beat, he'd be that fighter, i'm talking in the pros of course....not amateurs.....his craft is so mastered and in tect---and his ability to adjust form different angles and fight in the pocket, and fight and rest on the ropes, through all of 12 rounds, is something very special to watch, and i'm a huge fan of his and know his style of fighting in all of his bouts, from left to right, like the back of my hand-----manny cannot beat this ****ing kid----floyd is too methodical a fighter---he does "different" things in all of his fights that seperates him from his opponent, while staying sharp looking---benny you'll see----it's hard to see now---
this is taking nothing away from manny---that kid is the truth at what he does also---but like i said before, there is only one complete fighter in boxing, and floyd is that complete fighter, he is that skilled, and he will dominate manny, then shane, then whoever's next//////paul williams too....
manny liketo throw many punches from different angles, but what he fails to realize in doing that with floyd, you may look godd, but he will land punches that slow thta down, in the middle of that barrage...he has a 6th sense people.....he knows a fighter's angles, a fighters, body, a fighter's movement, he has that extra remedy when he fights...he is so damn gifted....you'll find out soon....trust me...i promise you...
I've forgotten more about boxing than you have even learned little boy.
I've seen every single significant Mayweather fight so why don't you point out the fight, the round and the time in which Mayweather was badly hurt and I will go back and watch it again.
you pick a fight b/c when floyd opens up his hands are usually low. That leaping left hook will only work on somebody slow. Notice he hasn't fought anybody with speed since zab.
if oscar came that close... manny would easily get the decision if mayweatehr rides his bike the whole fight
And if JMM came close to beating Pac which many felt he did win...imagine what Floyd will do.
yeah...I've heard both sides.
I'm asking for more details...specifics.
Too bad he actually grown more skilled and thought "hey i don't need to take all these punches". I like Floyd more now, he's a more perfect fighter. He's no longer in his prime but i think he peaked when he absolutely killed Gatti.
I'm not sure it would fall under "skill" as much as expanding his mind-set on fighting: "Do what is needed to win without taking unnecessary risks"
Before he pushed to sell fights...make a name for himself. Now, he has a name and fights can come his way so he is in protect mode...however, there is a good quote I'm going to post up and I hope I got it right...eh...hope so.
Floyd is a feather-fisted! He may have the longer reach but Manny will not used the same tactics he used for Cotto when he fights Floyd. Manny will be hit once or twice to unload ten punches. His shoulder rolls will not be effective if you don't see were the punch is coming from bcoz of it's tremendous velocity and multiple angles. The only way floyd can win is to stand his ground and fight and used his sized bcoz Manny can outpunch him, outspeed him and out cardio him for the full 12 rounds.
You can see it on this video
3:07 you can start
This was Floyd when he was dangerous and was willing to risk.
Too bad he actually grown more skilled and thought "hey i don't need to take all these punches". I like Floyd more now, he's a more perfect fighter. He's no longer in his prime but i think he peaked when he absolutely killed Gatti.
Floyd will be a fighter on a whole different level than Manny has faced, and is undefeated. Which mans it's difficult to strategize against a guy who hasn't been beat, let alone knocked out in any fight.
I'm sure Freddie has been strategizing for this moment for a long time now.
It's not like he recently started watching Floyd's fights. He says Floyd will be easy to beat, but it's all talk until Manny get's in the ring to prove it.
To Freddie's credit, he's been very successful in mapping out effective fight plans for Manny's previous opponents. So, once the fight is signed you can be sure he's pulling out and dusting off the How To Beat Floyd Mayweather Manifesto.
Freddie and Manny have turned out to be a successful combo and i don't doubt they'll bring out the best in Floyd.
Yeah...I've always thought Freddie and Manny were a great team and Kuntz can go **** himself with his comment about Manny not really needing Roach...which is why I'm glad Manny upped his respect for Roach in front of everyone calling him "Master" {Roach}.
Very Martial Art.
i would love to see what happens.
pac to me answered a lot of questions about how he would do at ww last saturday.
i got him 50/50 to beat mosley now. before i thought mosley by brutal ko.
one thing that worries me though is that pacquiao (to me. my own opinion.) isn't that great at chasing people down or cutting off the ring.
he knows how to do it but not great at it.
if floyd runs instead of say using his d on the ropes or in the pocket , i can see pac getting frustrated.
One thing about Shane though is that he can be hit and his stamina isn't like it once was which is why I thought Pac actually stood a chance. The disadvantage to facing Shane is that he can take those punches, can dish them right back at you, and he throws a vicious body punch (as seen in the Margarito fight which was key to take him out of his game early).
That's why Freddie wanted Cotto not Shane (unless Shane was willing to come down to 142/143.
Pac wouldn't have to chase Shane and could move around...but it is Shane and that Man if he is on that night is hell to fight.
Floyd is actually good on the ropes when he wants to: he likes to stand there, let you attack, and then will roll, then counter punch you in quick fashion. He used to be big on that although not as sure now...have to watch the fights again.
Pac looks strong at 147 and more confident when you come to him.
Funny thing is, I heard Roach was worried when Pac was against the ropes and covering up but to me, I was like Damn...this kid is relaxed and in control. It was an Ali moment (not to over-blow it).
Floyd will be a fighter on a whole different level than Manny has faced, and is undefeated. Which mans it's difficult to strategize against a guy who hasn't been beat, let alone knocked out in any fight.
I'm sure Freddie has been strategizing for this moment for a long time now.
It's not like he recently started watching Floyd's fights. He says Floyd will be easy to beat, but it's all talk until Manny get's in the ring to prove it.
To Freddie's credit, he's been very successful in mapping out effective fight plans for Manny's previous opponents. So, once the fight is signed you can be sure he's pulling out and dusting off the How To Beat Floyd Mayweather Manifesto.
Freddie and Manny have turned out to be a successful combo and i don't doubt they'll bring out the best in Floyd.
Don't know either but I would like them answered...Fight.
I want to see Floyd have to work for it for a change. Pac will be on his ass and won't back down.
i would love to see what happens.
pac to me answered a lot of questions about how he would do at ww last saturday.
i got him 50/50 to beat mosley now. before i thought mosley by brutal ko.
one thing that worries me though is that pacquiao (to me. my own opinion.) isn't that great at chasing people down or cutting off the ring.
he knows how to do it but not great at it.
if floyd runs instead of say using his d on the ropes or in the pocket , i can see pac getting frustrated.
he could potshot pac to the end of the fight.
the problem is will he win the rounds doing that?
he'll have to fight pac. pac is not slow on his feet and definitely doesn't have slow hands.
pac can get to him.
if pac wins exchanges , will floyd be able to change styles and take it to pac like he did against judah?
don't know.
Don't know either but I would like them answered...Fight.
I want to see Floyd have to work for it for a change. Pac will be on his ass and won't back down.
I've never seen Mayweather look even remotely hurt in a boxing match so I don't think it is fair to assume that Manny can hurt him badly even if he does land.
Mayweather certainly isn't gonna leave himself open for uppercuts like Cotto did.
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He still pot-shots and neglected the jab (except in the JMM fight) compared to his below 147 days.
How is he going to pot-shot someone like Pac?
he could potshot pac to the end of the fight.
the problem is will he win the rounds doing that?
he'll have to fight pac. pac is not slow on his feet and definitely doesn't have slow hands.
pac can get to him.
if pac wins exchanges , will floyd be able to change styles and take it to pac like he did against judah?
don't know.
You guys are Manny Pac nuthuggers, you couldn't give this matchup an unbiased look if someone paid you to do it.
I don't even like Mayweather, never been a fan, but if you think that he is gonna lost to Pac because he was momentarily stunned once by a southpaw over 5 years ago then I have to wonder why you even bother posting on the subject.
Uh, how do you even know my stance?
I think its a pretty even fight based on the variables.
However, based on what we've seen, I also think Manny can beat Floyd based on the variables. With that said, I also think Floyd can beat Manny based on the variables as well.
But, what tilts it in Mannys favor, is that hes faced better competition, and looked better in doing so.
Knockouts will always be bigger than unanimous decisions.
But yea, that was a classy way to admit you made a mistake,
take the focus off of the problem and create diversion,
but guess what?
I "member".
5 years ago Floyd was kinda hurt, didn't go down, and was recovered within 10 seconds.
Really if people want to make that point they may as well admit that it was only 6 years ago that Manny was laid flat on his ass by Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov.
He still knocked Yeshmagambetov out in 5.
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