Ariza just spit the truth, Floyd sr put back in his place

Exactly, these guys see his weight classes as his weight gain. Dude was starved @ 125/130. Since barrera (which he was 136 fight night) he's only gained 10 pounds! Thats 10 pounds in 5 years, hardly a "sudden weight gain" Exactly, If Manny really could gain only 5-10 lbs of muscle (depending on when one assumes he started juicing) after taking steriods he must be really inferior genetically which is totally not the case. I remember the first time that Manny was considered "bigger" was his third fight with Morales. Emmanuel Stewart stated that Manny looks like a welterweight and that he looked so much stronger than Morales. He weighed in at 144 fight night. Now he's maybe 4-5 lbs heavier and suddenly he's juiced? Give me a break, with Pac's genetics he would gain another 10 lbs of muscle if he were to juice.

you don't know ariza's H.I.I.T. system nor are you a faculty member on any university staff. you are just an internet poster.... its safe to say you don't know jack shit except you're own opinions. I agree. ...........

that may be true. i dont have a master like ariza but i do have schooling and being in the fitness field for over 10 years i know my shit also. sr. said he was on roids not myself. if he's getting stronger and hittng harder without any resistance training it is suspect you don't know ariza's H.I.I.T. system nor are you a faculty member on any university staff. you are just an internet poster.... its safe to say you don't know jack shit except you're own opinions.

floyd sr has been in boxing for years and years...if anyone has the right to speak on it...it's him...and where was shane's team before he turned into the juice man...i'm not saying that floyd sr. isn't a dumbass...i'm just saying that from what he's been through and seen in his lifetime...he has the right to have an opinion... will you believe an indian or an indigenous civilizations studies professor with a phd to tell you how indians live? i mean, sure...the indian could be wrong...but would it be stupid to listen to him? come the fukk on!!! floyd sr. can't tell the difference between coffeemate and creatine, BUT floyd CAN tell you the difference between crack cocaine and sugar crystals.

indigenous civilizations still exist...and i understand what you're saying...but on the level of education and expertise on the subject...floyd sr is not completely in the dark in it...he believes that a person with that speed and size might not be 100% due to the ****ing in their performance...this guy ariza is educated in the process and says it's not possible because he's with manny all the time and they are factoring things that floyd sr can't see...so i'd assume them to be right and floyd sr to be wrong...but like you said...it turns into a moral issue on ariza's part...all i'm saying is that due to him being a boxer and actually having to understand the process of putting on and losing weight...floyd sr.'s opinion might be more than just hot air... but in actuality...he might just be saying all of that for the sake of discrediting anything that freddy roach has done by accrediting manny's accomplishments to something other than his trainer or team... I wouldnt put it past floyd sr to know nothing at all. The part that really makes me mad is the the hours and saccrifice Manny and Roach spend in the gym, as well Ariza and his team working hard to get Manny in shape. They take things very seriously, and it shows in the ring. Then comes floyd sr, knowing NOTHING at all, dissmisss all that hard work as steroids. His claims are baseless, and he doesnt have a leg to stand on. Other than watching his fights, what does he know about Manny? If he really wanted to know, he would partake on Mannys training and question Ariza's methods. I'm sure theyre open to him if he really wanted to find out. But being the mongrel that Floyd sr is, it's easier for him to accuse another Man of steroids than to find out the truth. That makes him a piece of shit and no different than any other NSB user here accusing him without any shred of proof other than worthless opinion. Armchair experts as we call it.

Exactly, these guys see his weight classes as his weight gain. Dude was starved @ 125/130. Since barrera (which he was 136 fight night) he's only gained 10 pounds! Thats 10 pounds in 5 years, hardly a "sudden weight gain" that may be true. i dont have a master like ariza but i do have schooling and being in the fitness field for over 10 years i know my shit also. sr. said he was on roids not myself. if he's getting stronger and hittng harder without any resistance training it is suspect

then who started it. Quick muscle and weight gain in the span of 2 weeks? how much are we talking about here. He's been weighing in at 145 at fight night for almost 2 years, but just wasnt draining himself like he used to. Exactly, these guys see his weight classes as his weight gain. Dude was starved @ 125/130. Since barrera (which he was 136 fight night) he's only gained 10 pounds! Thats 10 pounds in 5 years, hardly a "sudden weight gain"

how does that compare ot manny using steroids. Manny is alive and well, and ariza is his nutritionist and trainer. By that example, Ariza is right and floyd is wrong since Ariza is with Manny 24/7, and floyd is no where near Manny. This isnt a case of Manny being dead and years later people are trying to find out if he was on roids. If anyone would know its ariza. To accuse manny is to accuse ariza of being a liar. That is a seperate issue. indigenous civilizations still exist...and i understand what you're saying...but on the level of education and expertise on the subject...floyd sr is not completely in the dark in it...he believes that a person with that speed and size might not be 100% due to the ****ing in their performance...this guy ariza is educated in the process and says it's not possible because he's with manny all the time and they are factoring things that floyd sr can't see...so i'd assume them to be right and floyd sr to be wrong...but like you said...it turns into a moral issue on ariza's part...all i'm saying is that due to him being a boxer and actually having to understand the process of putting on and losing weight...floyd sr.'s opinion might be more than just hot air... but in actuality...he might just be saying all of that for the sake of discrediting anything that freddy roach has done by accrediting manny's accomplishments to something other than his trainer or team...

Floyd Sr. didnt start this rumor anyway. there are signs of taking roids also. if Manny has had quick weight gain and muscle gain, which he has. if he has increased acne or spots on his body then he should be tested but once again Sr did not start this rumor then who started it. Quick muscle and weight gain in the span of 2 weeks? how much are we talking about here. He's been weighing in at 145 at fight night for almost 2 years, but just wasnt draining himself like he used to.

Ariza has a Masters degree in nutritional science, and also works with others to train Pacquaio. Obviously theyve done theyre homework and Manny is now a finely tuned machine. For example, Troy Polamalu, Tomlinson, Emmit Smith, Jerry Rice, all had their own teams behind their workouts/diets. All of them are known for their vigorous offseason training programs and have never been tested or accused of steroids. But floyd sr, (never graduated hs) is accusing Manny of steroids. His basis? stupidity. Compare Ariza, and his educated team to floyd and it fails in comparison. Floyd sr just doesnt have the intelligence to understand or education that Ariza and his team does. What would Floyd sr know about the subject?, other than hearsay? It looks like a camera man just caught him on one of his many rants. It's comparable to a sophmore in HS accusing Manny of roids, with no evidence, just his "expertise" in the subject. Floyd Sr. didnt start this rumor anyway. there are signs of taking roids also. if Manny has had quick weight gain and muscle gain, which he has. if he has increased acne or spots on his body then he should be tested but once again Sr did not start this rumor

floyd sr has been in boxing for years and years...if anyone has the right to speak on it...it's him...and where was shane's team before he turned into the juice man...i'm not saying that floyd sr. isn't a dumbass...i'm just saying that from what he's been through and seen in his lifetime...he has the right to have an opinion... will you believe an indian or an indigenous civilizations studies professor with a phd to tell you how indians live? i mean, sure...the indian could be wrong...but would it be stupid to listen to him? how does that compare ot manny using steroids. Manny is alive and well, and ariza is his nutritionist and trainer. By that example, Ariza is right and floyd is wrong since Ariza is with Manny 24/7, and floyd is no where near Manny. This isnt a case of Manny being dead and years later people are trying to find out if he was on roids. If anyone would know its ariza. To accuse manny is to accuse ariza of being a liar. That is a seperate issue.

Manny hasn't tested positive for steroids yet, so that just tells me he hasn't been taking them... that's all we can say at the moment.

floyd sr has been in boxing for years and years...if anyone has the right to speak on it...it's him...and where was shane's team before he turned into the juice man...i'm not saying that floyd sr. isn't a dumbass...i'm just saying that from what he's been through and seen in his lifetime...he has the right to have an opinion... will you believe an indian or an indigenous civilizations studies professor with a phd to tell you how indians live? i mean, sure...the indian could be wrong...but would it be stupid to listen to him?