Ive had it with people placing them both over Juan Manuel Marquez. People call them ATG's but say that JMM is not one. Skills? JMM has shown he has that. Heart? JMM has proved it. Intelligence? JMM has shown that. JMM has never been stopped, Barrera and Morales have. JMM has won championships in 3 weight classes, just like Erik and Marco. Unfortunately, JMM was on the wrong end of decision losses in a few fights and his promoting company had other fighters in their stable on priority. Barrera and Morales mainly got their hype from fighting each other and 2 other names, a win over Hamed for Barrera and a win over Pacquiao for Morales. And Morales can basically thank JMM for that Pacquiao win because with all those hours spent studying Marquez vs Pacquiao, JMM was basically part of Morales's training camp. Juan Manuel Marquez does not get enough credit and when you look at all 3 of their resume's, they are not far different from each other.
Take a look at notable opposition from all 3 fighters:
Marco Antonio Barrera-
Kennedy Mckinney W TKO
Junior Jones L DQ/ L UD
Erik Morales L SD/ W UD/ W MD
Naseem Hamed W UD
Kevin Kelley W TKO
Paulie Ayala W TKO
Johny Tapia W UD
Robbie Peden W UD
Rocky Juarez W UD
Juan Manuel Marquez L UD
Manny Pacquiao L TKO/ L UD
Normal0MicrosoftInternetExplorer4Erik Morales-
Daniel Zaragoza W KO
Junior Jones W TKO
Wayne Mccullough W UD
Marco Antonio Barrera W SD/ L UD/ L MD
Pulie Ayala W UD
David Diaz L UD
Kevin Kelley W TKO
Jesus Chavez W UD
Carlos Hernandez W UD
Manny Pacquiao W UD/ L TKO/ L KO
Normal0MicrosoftInternetExplorer4Juan Manuel Marquez-
Freddie Norwood L UD
Robbie Peden W RTD
Manuel Medina W TKO
Derrick Gainer W TD
Manny Pacquiao DRAW/ L SD
Chris John L UD
Marco Antonio Barrera W UD
Rocky Juarez W UD
Joel Casamayor W TKO
Juan Diaz W TKO
Floyd Mayweather L UD
JMM just doesnt have the glamour that Morales or Barrera possess, I personally think JMM is a better all-round boxer than those two, But he never got his chance to show it at the right time.
Completely agree,Marquez has never got knocked out or quit like a coward like both Morales and Barrera have either.
can you please compare and contrast for me using the following because i dont get ya.
Marco Antonio Barrera-
Junior Jones L DQ/ L UD
Erik Morales L SD/ W UD/ W MD
Naseem Hamed W UD
Johny Tapia W UD
Juan Manuel Marquez L UD
Manny Pacquiao L TKO/ L UD
Erik Morales-
Daniel Zaragoza W KO
Junior Jones W TKO
Marco Antonio Barrera W SD/ L UD/ L MD
Jesus Chavez W UD
Carlos Hernandez W UD
Manny Pacquiao W UD/ L TKO/ L KO
Juan Manuel Marquez-
Manny Pacquiao DRAW/ L SD
Chris John L UD
Marco Antonio Barrera W UD
Joel Casamayor W TKO
Juan Diaz W TKO
Floyd Mayweather L UD
Barrera would have beaten a faded Casa at 130 for sure.
Well I think Morales has the better resume than both Barrera & Marquez, and I'm a big Barrera and Marquez fan!I just think his win over Pacquiao trumps any win in both Barrera & Marquez's resume.To me that win is the equivalent to the Leonard win for Duran.
Win and look better doing it.
Morales and Barerra have fought much better opponents throughout their careers.
can you please compare and contrast for me using the following because i dont get ya.
Marco Antonio Barrera-
Junior Jones L DQ/ L UD
Erik Morales L SD/ W UD/ W MD
Naseem Hamed W UD
Johny Tapia W UD
Juan Manuel Marquez L UD
Manny Pacquiao L TKO/ L UD
Erik Morales-
Daniel Zaragoza W KO
Junior Jones W TKO
Marco Antonio Barrera W SD/ L UD/ L MD
Jesus Chavez W UD
Carlos Hernandez W UD
Manny Pacquiao W UD/ L TKO/ L KO
Juan Manuel Marquez-
Manny Pacquiao DRAW/ L SD
Chris John L UD
Marco Antonio Barrera W UD
Joel Casamayor W TKO
Juan Diaz W TKO
Floyd Mayweather L UD
whate are these accomplishments? what do barrera and morales do better than jmm?
Win and look better doing it.
Morales and Barerra have fought much better opponents throughout their careers.
people don't have to look at their resumes , zarco.
it's not like they were fighting before we were born.
EVERYONE has seen all 3 fight. EVERYONE knows all 3's accomplishment.
marquez is behind barrera and morales.
whate are these accomplishments? what do barrera and morales do better than jmm?
i want some one to look at their resumes, tell me why they have Morales and Barrera above him.
people don't have to look at their resumes , zarco.
it's not like they were fighting before we were born.
EVERYONE has seen all 3 fight. EVERYONE knows all 3's accomplishment.
marquez is behind barrera and morales.
I love Juan Manuel Marquez, but when he faced Barrera, Barrera wasn't in his prime. Marquez wasn't as young either and he might still be better than Barrera, but the point is even though Barrera wasn't at his best he still went 12 rounds against Marquez.
As for Morales despite being in as many wars as Barrera he clearly beat Pacquiao, while Marquez had some close decisions vs Pac. And El Terrible wasn't the same fighter he was before. You're never the same after those battles and Morales and Barrera have been through many. They both were great warriors and deserve to be respected.
morales/barrera > marquez
deal with it.
i made this thread cause you pissed me off. you inclined me to look at their resumes so i did, so now look at their resumes and tell me why you say what you say.
Now that Marquez is slowly rising up to the challenges.....you may have a point on questioning the placing of MAB and EM above JMM.
Yeah Marquez's rise in weight has been really impressive. He's been following Pacs footsteps in weight classes, unfortunately he doesn't carry the weight as well.
eversince jmm did his stint at LW, he surely came near EM and MAB coattails. no problem w/ anyone putting him above them, but personally EM/MAB > JMM still. his most defining fight is a draw and a loss to PAC.