Cotto had trouble finding a target against Clottey therefore slowing down his work rate.
PERIOD.
I don't think Cotto ca win either, but damn he's getting disrespected at this point.
Im not talking about his workrate. I meant his movement, handspeed, footspeed., and reaction time. He looked slow.
repost....well, not really.
All you need is 10 seconds of cottos pad work and youve seen it all.
Just, jab jab,.....straight, walk around and repeat for another 10 minutes
then maybe, jab jab, hook.
to wildly change things up...jab jab, uppercut.
All his pad work is the same, and as exciting as his personality.
And for some reason, the way santiago holds the mitts irritates me.
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I think Cotto has a great chance of winning. I do think Manny's camp think that Cotto might be a bit damaged after the Magarito fight and that's why they took the fight.
I also think that Miguel might be a bit damaged. But my opinion means " 0 "
Because if it does turn out that Cotto isn't damaged then he can beat Manny. Cotto does know how to box very well and he's got a good chin.
I'm not a big fan of his but a "prime" cotto can handle Manny.
Cotto always looks like this in training. Relaxed.. Throwing the jab, which is one of his great weapons. I laugh at those saying Cotto is to slow, when timing is what can nuetralize speed. Once Cotto finds his way with Manny (by catching Manny in his tracks) and timing him.. What will Manny do? He will want to fight, and getting into a fight with a strong guy like Cotto can be a problem, also to mention his left hook. Remember when Marquez caught Manny with that left hook in their second fight? I think it was the end of round 2 if I remember correctly. Manny might be in trouble, if he indeed plans to trade with Cotto outside.
This is going to be interesting in many ways, because everyone seems to discredit Cotto in this fight, as if he is as slow as Mayorga. Judah and Mosley were very fast and hard hitting fighters, but just not with the output of Manny.
Many people are going to be shocked on Nov 14th, while the people who will Root for Cotto will say "I told you so"
Cotto will win with his timing and frustrate Manny. If Cotto does this as stated, then he won't have such a hard time, even though he will be forced to fight and throw many punches.. Stamina might be an issue for Cotto, but it also depends if Manny can take what Cotto has to offer.
Think people.. This fight isn't as easy as you make it to be.. This fight is hard for both, but I believe that Cotto has the skill to eliminate Manny.
Just my opinion.. I love Cotto, and Manny.. Never wanted this fight to happen, but it is.. and I want Cotto to win.
This will be a fight to rememeber! CAN'T WAIT!
NOVEMBER 14TH!!!
Cotto had trouble finding a target against Clottey therefore slowing down his work rate.
PERIOD.
I don't think Cotto ca win either, but damn he's getting disrespected at this point.
That was his first "real" fight back after margarito he had some nervous and rust to work off. He looks to be in great shape and i think he still is in his prime he just needed a tough fight and to get threw it which he did. Cotto is faster than he looks those punches sound hard even when he is not putting everything on them. This will be a big test for Manny he has never been hit by someone like Cotto before. And the notion that Cotto had trouble hitting Clottey well he has great defense and is a huge natural welterweight. The difference is size between him and Manny is staggering. All i know is this fight will live up to the hype. Cant wait. Peace
Oh and one more thing Manny can have great footwork and speed but Cotto is great and cutting off the ring.
The mitts are not there for height its more for accuracy. If Joe actually lowered the mitts to pacs height cotto would brake his wrists. Try it.. hold mitts for someone shorter than you but stronger..and put it at his opponents height which would be shorter than you. Tell me how your wrists feel after...lol.. Mitts are for accuracy and working on combos.
I'm well aware of everything you mention. What I meant by my post is that If a fighter is fighting an opponent that is either the same height or shorter than him....it's the trainer's job to make sure that in training camp it's represented properly. I.E. getting sparring partners that are not taller than Cotto.
In the case of the mitts....it would have been Santiago's reponsibility to bend his damn knees and take a lower stance to better represent where the target would really be.
Cotto looked slow vs Clottey
PERIOD
People talk about the Mosley and Zab fights, but that was prePlaster beating Cotto.. He isnt the same. His best days are behind him. You can thank that beast Margo for that
Cotto had trouble finding a target against Clottey therefore slowing down his work rate.
PERIOD.
I don't think Cotto ca win either, but damn he's getting disrespected at this point.
Lol at people trying to break down and analyze a ****ing mitt routine. Everyone does the mitts differently. Does it look like Floyds mitt routine is productive at all? Well it works wonders for him. Everybody does things differently in camp. Your average amateur Welterweight boxer will have a more complete mitt routine than Cotto does, but that doesn't really mean shit in the ring does it?
Manny just walks around and hits the heavy bag with arm punches starting from his chest. A novice would be scolded for such a thing, but it works for Pac.
These guys have been at this for years. It's down to a science at this point. They do everything for a reason. The only thing I was wondering is if Cotto has any kind of HIIT workout at all and 24/7 answered my question when I saw him sprinting 400's.
this could honestly be a dangerous fight for pacquiao, career and health wise. cotto is just too heavy and too much for little manny pacquiao. as fan of the sport i hope it does end early so the punishment is not as damaging. i'd love to see pacquiao back in the sport fighting in a lower weight class where he belongs.
pac aint so little anymore, and pac is used to taking bigger shots, have you seen his fight against the opbf champ, pac was a stick thin teen taking on a tank, that night he used his footwork and boxing ability to win, i think he will do the same against cotto.
Cotto looked slow vs Clottey
PERIOD
People talk about the Mosley and Zab fights, but that was prePlaster beating Cotto.. He isnt the same. His best days are behind him. You can thank that beast Margo for that
All this talk of Cotto being too slow sounds exactly the same as when he was about to fight Mosley and Zab. The thing you guys gotta remember is you don't have to be faster that the speed fighter to beat him. Nobody even mentions the double jab, Cotto's patience in the ring, his ability to adapt. All I hear is "Manny's too fast".
What's going to happen when Cotto neutralizes Pac's speed? I guarantee you Pac will revert to brawling while Cotto will take advantage and break Pacquiao down.
This is the toughest fight of Manny's career, and some of you are treating it like he's on the level of Hatton or Oscar to be embarrassed. You're setting yourselves up for a similar night like Cotto fans ended up having at the end of the Margarito fight. Watch...
Shut up Cotto ass kisser have 1 of these :bottle: and call me in the morning.
I wasn't so sure at first if Pacman can beat Cotto, it's more like a 50-50 fight to me, or Cotto as the slight favorite (in my eyes), but after seeing this video, and I'm sure Freddie Roach has seen this too, it will be Pacman's fight to lose, or should I say, it's Roach's fight to lose.
Cotto tends to take a tiny step, or more like a half a step when he intends to throw his jab. He tends to dip his left shoulder too when he plans to throw a right for leverage. He pulls back a bit when he's about to throw his vaunted left hook, like trying to built momentum for his punch. I'm hope he's not this slow in real time, or else...
I'm sure it will be a great fight come Nov. 14, and I got no horse in this race because I really like these 2 boxers. May the best man win!!!
Based on the bold, it seems you never have seen cotto fight but I know you have seen him because you say he is one of your fav fighters. so I ask you in the fights have you seen do you see him slow? Not compared to manny but in general how do you rate his speed?
The mitts are not there for height its more for accuracy. If Joe actually lowered the mitts to pacs height cotto would brake his wrists. Try it.. hold mitts for someone shorter than you but stronger..and put it at his opponents height which would be shorter than you. Tell me how your wrists feel after...lol.. Mitts are for accuracy and working on combos.
good post..
people here make things up with out understanding the reasons why. thanks for the clarification.
Great to see Cotto work out with some actual intensity for once.
But i'm thinking wrong move for trainer Joe Santiago to be holding the mitts up to his face like that, which he's probably been doing all training camp. Pacquiao is the same height as Cotto and will probably have a lower stance than Cotto. For santiago to make Cotto punch up to his height like that is adding ferocity to Cotto's punches but making them wide and leaving openings which Pacquiao may be able to take advantage of.
The mitts are not there for height its more for accuracy. If Joe actually lowered the mitts to pacs height cotto would brake his wrists. Try it.. hold mitts for someone shorter than you but stronger..and put it at his opponents height which would be shorter than you. Tell me how your wrists feel after...lol.. Mitts are for accuracy and working on combos.