Did Mayweather steal the shoulder roll from James Toney?

no, he stole it from margarito

I am gald Floyd did not steal James Toney's work ethic, love of food, self control and desire to stay in fine physical shape :dance:. To me those would all be bigger reasons to Floyd success then the shoulder roll.

Totally right. Locche and Pep were using this technique and also did Walcott. But they did not use it very regulary. In the 70's there is a match between Mayerather Sr and SRL where they both use the shoulder roll. I think Toney established the s.r. as a technique, especially in the LH and Cruiserweight division but surely Mayweather he's the great master. I pick Toney using it in the middle of ring and Floyd on the ropes. This technique is very useful to me... you're almost untochable to the body ( -> mexicans owned) but you have to be careful to the straight right hand. In fact the only decent punch that JMM landed on Floyd was a straight righthand when Floyd was on the ropes. Locche didn't use it regularly? In some of the fights he would do nothing but lay on the ropes, slip punches and talk to ringside viewers, he was that lazy.

No fighter today nor from the 90s has a style they invented personally.

No, boxing's been around for a long time, surely someone would have came up with the idea that rolling a shoulder could be good about the right shoulder, Ive seen Willie Pep and Locche do this. Totally right. Locche and Pep were using this technique and also did Walcott. But they did not use it very regulary. In the 70's there is a match between Mayerather Sr and SRL where they both use the shoulder roll. I think Toney established the s.r. as a technique, especially in the LH and Cruiserweight division but surely Mayweather he's the great master. I pick Toney using it in the middle of ring and Floyd on the ropes. This technique is very useful to me... you're almost untochable to the body ( -> mexicans owned) but you have to be careful to the straight right hand. In fact the only decent punch that JMM landed on Floyd was a straight righthand when Floyd was on the ropes.

So they invented it?? No, it was Jake LaMotta: In truth the technique is probably as old as boxing itself.

1 word....michigan.

No, but I do believe his style resembles Nicolino Locche. yep.someone else who I saw use it a bit vs lamotta was......sugar ray robinson.

No, but I do believe his style resembles Nicolino Locche. You might be right with the Locche. Also Floyd Sr was using the shoulder roll against Leonard in the 70's. So of course Sr is going to teach Jr that

Oh, I'm sorry, he was claiming that Floyd is just trying to copy him, lol. http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content5955.html

Well I don't think he said invented it. Looking for the interview to see exactly what he was talking about...

No, but I do believe his style resembles Nicolino Locche.

Toney named Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott among his inspirations. I have to wonder why he would claim to have "invented" the shoulder roll unless he was doing so jokingly.

Didn't Archie Moore invent it?

No, he stole it from Mayweather Sr.

No he didn't. And, Toney did not invented either.

Floyd Sr. and Roger were using the shoulder roll defense years before Toney ever even thought about boxing. They obviously passed the technique to Floyd Jr.

james toney should sue him for stealing his art defense