in anticipation for what i think will be a great fight, ive thought of different scenarios that can take place in the ring.one of them is what happens if cotto can somewhat offset mannys speed. we know manny doesnt have the best defense and can be hit flush. how do you see this playing out if it occurs?
If Pacman wins, it'll be a decision. If Cotto wins, it'll be a KO.
Toss a coin.
Also, for those of you who think Cotto is a far better boxer than Manny....Pacman has come a long, long way in the last several years, his skill has improved by leaps and bounds, and he's no longer the one-trick pony he used to be. Cotto is a better counter puncher than Manny, but otherwise their skillsets aren't that far apart. Miguel also has a tendency to get caught by right hooks from southpaws, so there is a chance for Manny to win by KO, albeit a fairly small chance, but it's there, nevertheless.
I think Cotto will committ to body work early in an attempt to level the playing field later on, as far as speed goes. If he's successful, he should take home a KO win. If he's not, he should lose a reasonably close decision. Wildcards are Manny's right hook (if he gets Miguel badly hurt early in a round, he's a good finisher and has an excellant chance of a KO), and Miguel's timing and counterpunching (if he gets Manny's straight left timed early on he could win by KO before middle rounds).
That's my analysis, do with it what you will.
in anticipation for what i think will be a great fight, ive thought of different scenarios that can take place in the ring.one of them is what happens if cotto can somewhat offset mannys speed. we know manny doesnt have the best defense and can be hit flush. how do you see this playing out if it occurs?
Cotto wins by mid-round stoppage.
he's really not that much bigger. He'll be a four or five pounds bigger than hatton was.i think hell be alot bigger then hatt, remember ricky couldnt handle the 147 divison which is why u went back to 140 collazo even rocked him. Cotto 's more grown into that weight.
Depends what you mean by offset. If he can slow down Pac's workrate by making him miss or timing him with power punches, then I think he has a much better chance at winning.
You can't rule out the fact that Manny's been through these battles before. I know it was at a lower weight, but it's a mentality thing. the Morales fights were brutal. The Marquez fights were tough. He gets hit and fires back.
Its going to take more then a strong mentality to beat Cotto cause hes going to make it a physical thing aswell. He hast been in the ring with someone 155lbs+ dont expect to see Pac willing to take one to give one in this fight.
Cotto has KO all the southpaw's he has faced and his timing kills speed.
Power - Cotto
Boxing Ability - Cotto
Strength - Cotto
Chin - Cotto
Defence - Cotto
Experience - Cotto
I could go on and on but in the end Pacquiao only advantage is his speed and don't come here with that crap that Pacquiao has better defence the man faced Zombi De La Hoya, Crappy Hatton and Bum Diaz in his last 3 fights, off course he will look like a million bucks. Watch how many times Marquez hit that ass and come back to me.
Disagree with the bolded. Pacquiao has much more experience than Cotto. Especially with the fight in vegas Pac has way more experience on the "big stage"
Chin you can feel free to disagree with me but I feel Pacquiao's got the better chin. For a guy who was knocked out at 112lbs to come all the way to welter and even spar with guys who are 160+ in preparation for this fight with no signs of slowing down is almost humanly impossible. I'd say Pacquiao is the overall tougher guy.
And you left out the X factors like Pacquiao having a much better trainer to prepare him for the unforseen and make adjustments mid-fight. handspeed, crowd support, and ability to come back from behind. which all give the nod to Pacquiao.
If Cotto can slow pac down, he will regain the advantage on all 3. Which means I agree on your initial statement.
IMO, those off-angles shot does not necessarily mean he is off-balance. If it is really off-balance, there should be no power on it. Fact is... he often tagged(Diaz)/stunned(hatton)/KD(Morales) opponents by off-angles shot.
it is very possible cotto can slow MP down... cotto is an excellent body puncher & is the younger of the 2...
Take Pacquiao speed away and all of what you say becomes meaningless!!!
1.Cotto have KO every southpaw he have faced.
2.Cotto has never gassed against a smaller fighter.
3.Mannys head movement is better, Cottos footwork is slower but better than Pacquiao(he is most of the time off balance),Cottos combinations are better, more acccurate shots and better placed Manny swings wildly a lot of times his spees makes up for it most of the time, Manny give angle is more that when he is off balance he still thwows, but he certainly can punch from angles.
Cotto is a better all around boxer than Pacquiao!!!!
1. True but it does not mean he will KO pac
2. True but if he chases pac and could not hit him. It will still take a toll on his stamina... something that pac may very well do.
3.
Head Movement -- agree
Footwork -- disagree. Pac ,off balance, is seen only at the tail end of a combination. This is rarely seen in his last 3 fights because he is fighting smart. In and out against the bigger guys. To be able to do this effectively... means you have superb footwork. Cotto is well balanced himself but i would like to see him try pac's style and see if he can emulate it.
Combination -- Partially agree. If you are following the conventional combination, you are right. But I prefer those off-rhythm, off-angles, high speed, 3-15 unorthodox combination over conventional ones. IMO, it's the reason that opponents have trouble figuring pac out.
Speed -- Head-movement, footwork, unorthodox combinations are made possible by pac's speed.
If Cotto can slow pac down, he will regain the advantage on all 3. Which means I agree on your initial statement.
IMO, those off-angles shot does not necessarily mean he is off-balance. If it is really off-balance, there should be no power on it. Fact is... he often tagged(Diaz)/stunned(hatton)/KD(Morales) opponents by off-angles shot.
Pacquiao also fought the weakest champ in the 135lb division in David Diaz..takes credit for a draw and fight many and maybe even he felt he lost against Marquez (2nd fight)..couldn't KO an old tired Barrera "because he didn't want to embarrass him"..an old dehydrated Morales..and an old dehydrated De La Hoya..
Don't go there..because anybodies resume can be dissected bro..
i rather have the name of a paper titlist in my first fight at a new weight class than a bum whose name was truly unheard of during a tenure of what may appear to be my best weight class...
i wasnt planning in going there until i was sucked in by the post i replied to...
cotto on the other hand, faced a fake pro named alfonso gomez, & a bum of the month selection in jennings...
Pacquiao also fought the weakest champ in the 135lb division in David Diaz..takes credit for a draw and fight many and maybe even he felt he lost against Marquez (2nd fight)..couldn't KO an old tired Barrera "because he didn't want to embarrass him"..an old dehydrated Morales..and an old dehydrated De La Hoya..
Don't go there..because anybodies resume can be dissected bro..
Cotto has KO all the southpaw's he has faced and his timing kills speed
I could go on and on but in the end cpacquiao only advantage is his speed and don't come here with that crap that Pacquiao has better defence the man faced Zombi De La Hoya, Crappy Hatton and Bum Diaz in his last 3 fights, off course he will look like a million bucks. Watch how many times Marquez hit that ass and come back to me.
cotto on the other hand, faced a fake pro named alfonso gomez, & a bum of the month selection in jennings...
Then we'll have a great, great fight. Pacquiao would be forced to fight Cotto instead of zipping in and out using his speed, he'd likely lose in that scenario but it'll be great.
Pac speed is his biggest weapon in this fight but I see Cotto neutralizing it. Cotto is going to stalk Manny with a high guard, he's going to keep Manny on the move and time him when he throws. Cotto is not going to stand in the middle of the ring let Pac dance around him and hit him as he pleases.
Take Pacquiao speed away and all of what you say becomes meaningless!!!
1.Cotto have KO every southpaw he have faced.
2.Cotto has never gassed against a smaller fighter.
3.Mannys head movement is better, Cottos footwork is slower but better than Pacquiao(he is most of the time off balance),Cottos combinations are better, more acccurate shots and better placed Manny swings wildly a lot of times his spees makes up for it most of the time, Manny give angle is more that when he is off balance he still thwows, but he certainly can punch from angles.
Cotto is a better all around boxer than Pacquiao!!!!
BAM!
This was ON POINT!..good shit Ch@mp you held that shit down..
Cotto's balance, footwork, and even stamina is HEAVILY underrated here..they see Cotto tire in about 3 of his 35 fights and he's automatically a "front runner"..LMAO!
Never!!! Im just saying Cotto is a better overall boxer and is bigger!!!!!
yeah... bigger... more powerful & arguably more skilled fundamentally...
but MP is faster, a better user of boxing angles & more unpredictable...
it should be a very interesting & exciting fight...
Take Pacquiao speed away and all of what you say becomes meaningless!!!
1.Cotto have KO every southpaw he have faced.
2.Cotto has never gassed against a smaller fighter.
3.Mannys head movement is better, Cottos footwork is slower but better than Pacquiao(he is most of the time off balance),Cottos combinations are better, more acccurate shots and better placed Manny swings wildly a lot of times his spees makes up for it most of the time, Manny give angle is more that when he is off balance he still thwows, but he certainly can punch from angles.
Cotto is a better all around boxer than Pacquiao!!!!
But is he the all-round better fighter?
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People are just going with the hype. November 14 will send a reality check to a lot of people. After they all will have the same excuse, manny wasnt a real Ww!!!!!
i agree cotto should be the favorite...
but if u are calling MP a hype job, then i would assume u are surely misguided...
I can see all the "if they were the same size" threads! "He was just too big!"
Excuses by the Pactards!
Bullshit.
Post after post you act like an idiot.
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