is a blown up jmm that diffrent from a weight drained de la hoya?

its obvious the circumstances are diffrent, but the bottom line is, both of the victors where help with a weight issue.marquez hadn't fought at 147, and struggled because of it; and oscar hadn't been 147 on fight since he fought at lightweight.

Pac was supposed to get whomped and didn't. JMM was supposed to get whomped and did. Well said Marquez came in as an underdog, and that night we were reminded why.

leads into a completely different argument. Marquez would never have quit, or coasted, as De La Hoya did/has done. De La Hoya also coasted on his natural ability, for a number of years, and marquee value, which had an impact on his drive and heart. Marquez has enough heart to carry him in any battle, whether its against Floyd, or if he fought a 7 foot heavyweight. In this comparison, I'd argue the weight doesn't even matter- it's the mental aspect. Marquez would try to find any way to win, or go down fighting. De La Hoya would look for the quickest outcome, or easiest path, then quit. Nothing against Oscar; it's just the facts he himself has given us.

yea accept most people didn't give Pacquiao a chance. And they came in at the same weight almost. Pacquiao stopped DLH and battered him, Floyd got a points decision and took a few hits in the process.

Well if oscar pulled what floyd did it would of changed the whole fight. You can't really compare the 2

No. That's why,IMO, the wins are the same. that's how i see it.

as far as I'm concerned, they where both out of there element, both looked out of place, and both of their fitness levels where questionable.jmm couldn't carry the extra weight, while oscar probably should have.the only difference is jmm has cojones as opposed to oscar, who has a vagina. so besides the reasons i stated above, was each fight really that different? pac stans where all over the place posting about how pac was god after his demolition of oscar, while the flomos where out in full force discrediting it, with floyd himself saying he didn't beat a weight drained oscar.now flomos are out in full force preaching the gospel of floyd's godliness. i don't think jmm/may was any different.both pac and floyd had monumental advantages.if you aren't in tip top condition, you might as well have been a can in there. No. That's why,IMO, the wins are the same.

Pac was supposed to get whomped and didn't. JMM was supposed to get whomped and did. yep, nobody thought pac had a chance. but atleast dlh had teh decency to make weight... floyd didn't even try and had no intention of making weight.

Pac was supposed to get whomped and didn't. JMM was supposed to get whomped and did. yep, nobody thought pac had a chance.

lol. Style makes fight. The JMM from the Floyd fight would get push around by DLH. Stop acting like the MAIN reason DLH lost to Pacquiao was because he was weighed drained. Wrong. The weight issue was a disadvantage no doubt but it was Pacquiao's speed that beat DLH. That is all. First of all, where did i state that DLH was weight drained? Oh yeah, i didn't. I'm not discrediting Pac's win over Oscar, as i thought the result would have been opposite, it's just a shame that Pac fans cannot see that the Oscar that night was deadbeat. Of course, there is no way JMM would have obliterated DLH like Pac did, as he didn't carry his timing and precision (lack of speed and power) like Pac did, but the Oscar of that night showed nothing......not even heart....to say he could have contended with a WW top 10. I never discredit a fighter's win, but i will not overrate it. Which brings me on to your statement of 'styles make fights'. Of course it does. But what style did DLH bring to the Pac fight? Marquez would have decisioned him quite comfortably in my opinion. DLH didn't carry the speed, precision, skill or power that Floyd possessed, but Marquez still had enough awareness and ringsmarts (hard to deal with Floyd) to beat him no matter how poor he looked competing with Floyd. I'm no Mayweather fan, and completely agree with most on here that Marquez stood little chance (just too small), but to come back after 2 years and dominate a capable opponent was great.

The JMM from the Floyd fight would have beaten the DLH from the Pac fight. That is all. lol. Style makes fight. The JMM from the Floyd fight would get push around by DLH. Stop acting like the MAIN reason DLH lost to Pacquiao was because he was weighed drained. Wrong. The weight issue was a disadvantage no doubt but it was Pacquiao's speed that beat DLH. That is all.

Not really, on hindsight atleast (De La Hoya was favoured at the time while Marquez was not) but Pacquiao smashed De La Hoya in every round and made him retire on his stool. That'll impress people more than a shutout 12 round decision, right or not. I think the immediate impression of Pacquiao's win has already worn off in my opinion. He isn't given that much credit for the win. i now about the odds for oscar, i doubt that if the book makers knew he would come at 147 on the dot fight night, he wouldn't have been favored.

The JMM from the Floyd fight would have beaten the DLH from the Pac fight. That is all.

as far as I'm concerned, they where both out of there element, both looked out of place, and both of their fitness levels where questionable.jmm couldn't carry the extra weight, while oscar probably should have.the only difference is jmm has cojones as opposed to oscar, who has a vagina. so besides the reasons i stated above, was each fight really that different? pac stans where all over the place posting about how pac was god after his demolition of oscar, while the flomos where out in full force discrediting it, with floyd himself saying he didn't beat a weight drained oscar.now flomos are out in full force preaching the gospel of floyd's godliness. i don't think jmm/may was any different.both pac and floyd had monumental advantages.if you aren't in tip top condition, you might as well have been a can in there. actually that is a great observation because they almost looked identical in the ring

Not really, on hindsight atleast (De La Hoya was favoured at the time while Marquez was not) but Pacquiao smashed De La Hoya in every round and made him retire on his stool. That'll impress people more than a shutout 12 round decision, right or not. I think the immediate impression of Pacquiao's win has already worn off in my opinion. He isn't given that much credit for the win. Floyd fought the better version of DLH, Pac done a better job on him Pac fought the better version of JMM, Floyd done a better job on him it' s irrelevant to a head to head matchup anyway

Not really, on hindsight atleast (De La Hoya was favoured at the time while Marquez was not) but Pacquiao smashed De La Hoya in every round and made him retire on his stool. That'll impress people more than a shutout 12 round decision, right or not. I think the immediate impression of Pacquiao's win has already worn off in my opinion. He isn't given that much credit for the win.

where does it say i was surprised? let me try what you just did. and your surprised may won. congrats. and your gay. congrats.

There seems to be a double standard here in NSB when it comes to Floyd and Pacquaio. Pacquaio got alot of credit in beating the uninspired and weight drained Oscar while Floyd seems to be getting nothing but hate for beating the very motivated and inspired but smaller Marquez. And I think Floyd's negative persona causes this bias compared to Manny Pacquaio's positive attitude...

if people thought that oscar was going to look like an extra from thriller, than i think those who thought he would beat the crap out of pac would have changed their minds. and your surprised may won. congrats.

Pac was supposed to get whomped and didn't. JMM was supposed to get whomped and did. if people thought that oscar was going to look like an extra from thriller, than i think those who thought he would beat the crap out of pac would have changed their minds.