JMM is a legit win for Floyd...

tnx man... im really appreciative of ur insights... anyway, PBF is back & he needs not to meddle in the lower weight classes... he should be taking care of his own weight class & maybe challenge himself against the guys @ 154-160... Thanks Talip. Let's just be happy that Floyd is back and this tune-up is over with. What really matters is what he does next. I hope for Shane and then the Cotto-Pac winner.

Did you all know that PBF was 6 inches taller and outweighed Marquez by almost 40 pounds? You didn't. Open your eyes. It's as clear as day. Those fights at lightweight for Floyd? An illusion; actually a stunt double fighting in his place those years ago. Floyd is a legit middleweight; ya heard?

Duran had already moved up from WW at that time and been effective beyond. Was he even 30 when facing Hagler? Perhaps he was but only just if I remember correctly. Add also the benefit of hindsight. Duran had several good wins at the weight in the years that followed. What's the likelyhood of JMM getting an effective campaign at WW? It's of course highly unlikely. tnx man... im really appreciative of ur insights... anyway, PBF is back & he needs not to meddle in the lower weight classes... he should be taking care of his own weight class & maybe challenge himself against the guys @ 154-160...

BS. JMM hasn't made the "transition from Lightweight to Welterweight", he's a lightweight fighting heavier because that's the way to the big names and the big money. I'm certainlly not 'moaning' about it though, that's up to him and I thought he aquitted himself pretty well. I wouldn't argue that Floyd is one of the best two fighters on the planet either, but nonetheless while JMM was still a creditable win Mayweather had the physical advantage and I'll be far more impressed if he can knock over Mosley and the winner of Pacquiao v. Cotto. Pacquiao, incidently, HAS made that transition you are talking about although whether that will carry up to WW remains to be seen. We can only hope it does; Mayweather v. Pacquiao will be one of the biggest fights ever, possibly THE biggest outside HW. Yea that's a fair point about JMM moving up chasing the big name fights rather than a case of physical development. I am sure the risk would have been worth the reward if he'd pulled it off. At the same time, we can't make different rules for Floyd, he was coming off a near 2 year absence and alot can happen in 2 years. For Floyd to come back as good as ever, personally I was very impressed. JMM didn't look weak at Welter, I think if Floyd had have performed below par last night JMM would have been right there to punish him. Of course, I'd love to see the Mosley fight. Question is, would that be a legit win or what reasons are the there to discredit that victory should it happen? Personally I think Shane is probably a more dangerous option than Pacquiao. I want to see both of those fights. For the record, I am not a Floyd "nuthugger", I am not even really a fan of his. My favourite fighters are Danny Williams, Carl Froch, David Haye and... Steven Luevano.

It is legit and I agree. No one gives Floyd credit for any win. nuthuggers like you and flawless do. so don't be sad.:baby:

i mean what about hagler's & hearns' wins against duran? @ 160 & 154 respectively? Duran had already moved up from WW at that time and been effective beyond. Was he even 30 when facing Hagler? Perhaps he was but only just if I remember correctly. Add also the benefit of hindsight. Duran had several good wins at the weight in the years that followed. What's the likelyhood of JMM getting an effective campaign at WW? It's of course highly unlikely.

Mr boat buyer beat a LW at WW. Win means jack shit. It was a tuneup, nothin more.

hey bat... what about some time ago when hagler beat duran? or when hearns KOed manos de piedra? are these in any way diminished by the fact duran was already relatively old & was fighting higher than 135? u consider those wins grade c too? dont think so ... duran was the only fighter able to beat a prime SRL and he won championships at heavier weight beyond hagler ... probably we can asses the value of this fight better when everything has been said in done, and PBF, Mayweather are already at the HOF ... as it is now, its just a good comeback win for mayweather and a reminder to everyone that his back..

Big difference Talip. Duran was under 30 when he beat SRL and he had been fighting at welter for some time before facing Leonard. i mean what about hagler's & hearns' wins against duran? @ 160 & 154 respectively?

Also, those moaning about JMM jumping up in weight, I'm not sure if any of you know anything about boxing but back in the day there wasn't a Light Welterweight division and countless fighters have made the transition from Lightweight to Welterweight over the years. JMM is no different. BS. JMM hasn't made the "transition from Lightweight to Welterweight", he's a lightweight fighting heavier because that's the way to the big names and the big money. I'm certainlly not 'moaning' about it though, that's up to him and I thought he aquitted himself pretty well. I wouldn't argue that Floyd is one of the best two fighters on the planet either, but nonetheless while JMM was still a creditable win Mayweather had the physical advantage and I'll be far more impressed if he can knock over Mosley and the winner of Pacquiao v. Cotto. Pacquiao, incidently, HAS made that transition you are talking about although whether that will carry up to WW remains to be seen. We can only hope it does; Mayweather v. Pacquiao will be one of the biggest fights ever, possibly THE biggest outside HW.

hey bat... what about some time ago when hagler beat duran? or when hearns KOed manos de piedra? are these in any way diminished by the fact duran was already relatively old & was fighting higher than 135? u consider those wins grade c too? Big difference Talip. Duran was under 30 when he beat SRL and he had been fighting at welter for some time before facing Leonard.

By your logic JMM is a featherweight who last year jumped to lightweight and then yesterday to WW where he fought a fighter who had been at or above that weight for the past 4 years. Sure this is a legit win. :crazy: Nope. It's a grade C win at best. hey bat... what about some time ago when hagler beat duran? or when hearns KOed manos de piedra? are these in any way diminished by the fact duran was already relatively old & was fighting higher than 135? u consider those wins grade c too?

about as legit as beating ivan calderon

Floyd fan here...(well, at least the Floyd in the ring) I agree, not a legit win really. Nothing to write home about at least, JMM was just too small, hes a natural SFW, he had no business at WW. Hope we dont here Floyd bragging to anyone that will listen about beating JMM. Prime for Prime at 130 it would have been a great contest!! But, just to add, I take nothing away from Floyd's ring skills, i honestly dont think there is a fighter alive today (around his weight of course) that can beat him. I just dont see it! Cotto vs Mayweather would look like a repeat of last night, only i see Cotto landing a "little" more and winning the odd round and Pac vs Mayweather would end in a TKO win for Floyd, Pac would be walking onto things all night.

It is legit and I agree. No one gives Floyd credit for any win. i'll give him credit if he beats a top ww. sig it if you want.

yes a legit win vs a lightweight. the fact that floyd didnt let hbo weigh him before the fight says it all.

This isn't anything close to a legit win. If he had knocked Marquez out like he had every opportunity to, I would give him some credit.

they wont give him credit till he beats their saviour...... pac

It is legit and I agree. No one gives Floyd credit for any win.

a welter beating a lightweight? ya congrats floyd!