How big would the upset be???

lmao, pbf will come in EASILY over 150 tonight and JMM will still be at 142 or less. Tyson v Douglas would slide down to 2nd biggest upset after JMM win. 32:1 is about how many people bet on Tyson v how many people bet on Douglas, plus Douglas actually had added motivation with his mom and all...which usually plays a factor, see DLH. What we have here is a 2 weight class disparity with a guy who's never even been close to this weight in his entire career. This should be the number 1 upset in maybe any sport to date! 150? I'll be surprised if he isn't closer to 154 tonight, or greater.

no way is it BIGGER than tyson v douglas..... that was f*ckin 35:1 Bookies don't give odds more than about 5 or 6 to one, now, because of the Tyson/Douglas fight. If Marquez manages to pull off the upset here, considering what we've heard now about FMJ deliberately not making weight, it would be about as big as any upset in the history of the sport, maybe the biggest. Marquez has almost no chance at all. If I were to give realistic odds, I'd say his chance at a win here is maybe 1 in 200. I'm sure Marquez feels his chances at an "upset" are exactly 100%, which is the only reason there's any chance at all. Mayweather will have to knock him out cold (or kill him) to stop him, because JMM will get up and fight again no matter how many times he goes down. In fact, if FMJ puts JMM on his shorts a couple of times early, it could be the very thing that makes FMJ overconfident and gives JMM the opportunity at a KO win, which would be the only chance he has at all.

Fuk the money odds that night, can someone please help me understand how in the hell a natural AND BIGGER THAT NIGHT heavyweight KO'ing a smaller heavyweight, is a bigger upset than a natural superfeather beating an undefeated 'GOAT' (according to his stanley's) ? JMM is 126-130 prime. MAYBE 135 as he looks good right now. pbf is obviously a NATURAL 147...he has just grown into it all the way around, quit being delusional fanboys.

I still don't get how Pavlik was favourite over Hopkins :rofl: just means Hopkins has no fans. That's not true ; Hopkins does have fans. Evidence of this can be seen whenever he fights on the east coast, and particularly close to Philly. Such as Tito, Tarver, and Kelly. Bernard's fans are a small group, though. Similar to Mosley's fanbase in size ; very small when compared to some of the more popular figures out there that dot the boxing landscape. Yes I know you were just replying to the other guy saying it'd be douglas-esque. I just replied to your post agreeing with you. I think upset wise it would be big. Bigger than Pac-DLH but definitely not top 5 biggest upsets ever. But in the bigger scheme of things if Marquez were to pull it off I think it would remove Floyd entirely from the fighter of the decade discussion and a very justifiable case made that Marquez is the front runner in the fighter of the decade discussion. Absolutely agreed. And then when you look at Marquez's losses, that factors in as well. His pro debut really can't be held against him, 1st off. Secondly ; I had him beating Chris John by 2-3 points and many others did as well. Norwood was a garbage fight. And then the SD loss to manny that a lot of people thought he won as well. He'd definitely be a strong contender for fighter of the decade with a win over Floyd, and I would begin to compare him even further with another Mexican great whom he reminds me so much of ; Ricardo Lopez. They fail to realize that IMO Hopkins has the best defense in the sport. Also, watching Wlad owns and others go from saying how Pavlik would "embarrass, rape, brutalize, and KO Hopkins ending his career" to disowning him completely and saying that he was an embarrassment to his slavic heritage was fukkin priceless. That shit was comic gold. bro although I am a pure pacfan, I am also a fan of marco even rooted for him @MAB-EM 3 BUT I could never forget Manny's BEST CAREER WIN ... sorry LOL I definitely consider it Manny's best win as well. He just dominated that night, and while I was upset that my boy had to go out the way he did ; I was still impressed with Pacquiao's performance overall. I still can't believe the little dude who thrashed Ledwaba is #1 in the world right now, I remember that fight like it was yesterday.

Similar to when Pavlik beat Lockett. No one could believe that the biased Yank ref robbed Gary that way. lmao :rofl:

Winky Wright was a favorite over Hopkins. It's more that they bank on how old the geezer is more than anything else.

Please don't remind me of that night in San Antonio ; as a big Barrera fan, it still stings. :lol1: bro although I am a pure pacfan, I am also a fan of marco even rooted for him @MAB-EM 3 BUT I could never forget Manny's BEST CAREER WIN ... sorry LOL

I never gave Pavlik a chance either. I shouted about Bernard schooling his ass long and loud before the fight even went off. Even joking that I felt sorry for Kelly because the steel mills are shutdown in Youngstown and he'd have no place to work afterwards. Everybody thought I was crazy. Just like they always seem to when I pick Hopkins in his big fights. Go figure. They fail to realize that IMO Hopkins has the best defense in the sport. Also, watching Wlad owns and others go from saying how Pavlik would "embarrass, rape, brutalize, and KO Hopkins ending his career" to disowning him completely and saying that he was an embarrassment to his slavic heritage was fukkin priceless.

I never said it would be anything near Tyson/Douglas. I was merely pointing out the fact that that poster was spewing senseless garbage that's been disproven time and time again about the "long count". Marquez beating Mayweather would be right on par with Pacquiao beating Oscar, I'd say. And if he knocked him out it'd be even bigger, I think. Due to the fact that Oscar had been defeated and KO'd before, while Floyd has never tasted either. Yes I know you were just replying to the other guy saying it'd be douglas-esque. I just replied to your post agreeing with you. I think upset wise it would be big. Bigger than Pac-DLH but definitely not top 5 biggest upsets ever. But in the bigger scheme of things if Marquez were to pull it off I think it would remove Floyd entirely from the fighter of the decade discussion and a very justifiable case made that Marquez is the front runner in the fighter of the decade discussion.

I still don't get how Pavlik was favourite over Hopkins :rofl: just means Hopkins has no fans.

Wont happen in a fight against Mayweather. One can only dream. Any other Boxing Star then yes, but Money? No way. :slap:

pac was 4:1 underdog versus barerra ... Please don't remind me of that night in San Antonio ; as a big Barrera fan, it still stings. :lol1:

I couldn't believe so many fools on here were picking Pavlikkk by stoppage. If Calzaghe could barley hit a Hopkins with a thyroid infection clean how could this limited Brawler land more than a few shots on Hopkins was my thought. I was expecting a Hopkins UD, not very wide though, since I thought Pavlik would be much more busy. I never gave Pavlik a chance either. I shouted about Bernard schooling his ass long and loud before the fight even went off. Even joking that I felt sorry for Kelly because the steel mills are shutdown in Youngstown and he'd have no place to work afterwards. Everybody thought I was crazy. Just like they always seem to when I pick Hopkins in his big fights. Go figure.

pac was 4:1 underdog versus barerra ...

I swear I wish I could invent a time machine ; one of the first things I'd do would be to bet on Buster over Mike by KO. :lol1:

There is no way in hell a Marquez upset would be bigger than Douglas/Tyson. It'd be plenty big....but no way is it that big. Floyd is....to borrow a statement made by Manny Pacquiao "he's good. But he's not THAT good" I never said it would be anything near Tyson/Douglas. I was merely pointing out the fact that that poster was spewing senseless garbage that's been disproven time and time again about the "long count". Marquez beating Mayweather would be right on par with Pacquiao beating Oscar, I'd say. And if he knocked him out it'd be even bigger, I think. Due to the fact that Oscar had been defeated and KO'd before, while Floyd has never tasted either.

Found this on Pavlik vs hopkins personnally i didn't give pavlik much of a chance. I couldn't believe so many fools on here were picking Pavlikkk by stoppage. If Calzaghe could barley hit a Hopkins with a thyroid infection clean how could this limited Brawler land more than a few shots on Hopkins was my thought. I was expecting a Hopkins UD, not very wide though, since I thought Pavlik would be much more busy.

That whole "long count" theory has been proven to be bullshit time and time again. Next time ; please, use some common fucking sense and state a genuine opinion of your own, not bullshit theories and hyperbole. Thanks. 42:1 to be exact. But that was just the general betting odds in Vegas. Truth be told the only people in the world that night that felt like Buster could do it were Buster, his trainer, and his family. There is no way in hell a Marquez upset would be bigger than Douglas/Tyson. It'd be plenty big....but no way is it that big. Floyd is....to borrow a statement made by Manny Pacquiao "he's good. But he's not THAT good"

that means 24/7 is working.... that shit makes 99% of the people out there think ANYONE has a chance.... shit fools me even sometimes It happens before most fights, especially big ones. People get the nerves and start to think what if? and can the underdog can really pull it off? It's just the week of the fight excitement. Any other time before that and people would just say who they think is the logical winner.

Found this on Pavlik vs hopkins "The fight is at a catch-weight of 170 pounds. Pavlik is a natural middleweight coming up in class, fighting Hopkins, who the heavier weight-class favors," said Chuck Esposito, Assistant Vice President of Race & Sports Book Operations at Caesars Palace. "Hopkins is a very unorthodox fighter, very elusive and tough to hit. This may be the toughest fight of Pavlik's career. The early action has been on Pavlik. He has been bet up from roughly a 3 1/2 - 1 favorite to the current odds of a 5 -1 favorite." personnally i didn't give pavlik much of a chance.