what happens in here if Pavlik beats PWill?

if pavlik cant beat up williams then he really is done

Paul is a middleweight. If he loses to Pavlik, which I think he will if they actually fight, it will prove that Pavlik needs to get some respect back and that Paul's success is a large share due to his size advantage.

He'll gain a little more respect from me.

Does he get the respect he had before the BHop debacle back? Pavlik is a good fighter but he can be outboxed. I like watching him fight still.

Williams would have whooped Kelly's ass before he got his soul drained by Hopkins. I made a topic about it last summer, and everyone laughed at me. Williams will finish whatever's left of Pavlik. I would like to disagree with you but, right now, I'd say you're probably right.

Cmon bruh you tellin stories now. Pwill is a pretty damn good inside fighter, especially with those long ass arms hes got. Yes he does have crazy reach..but he doesnt use it as much as he should. He likes to trade in the pocket...have you watched him fight? i have seen him fight his huge reach makes things hard for him while hes on the inside.....i think hes very sloppy inside which is why quintana was working angles and catching him alot....i agree he doesnt use his reach as much as he should

I don't care what Pavlik says. My eyeballs tell me he's not the same fighter above 160. Looked comparatively lethargic in the Taylor rematch and he looked like a little boy being taken out to the woodshed against Bernard. PWill has already beaten a world-class fighter in Winky Wright at middle you dope. He could make the lower weights if he wanted but he looked like the same fighter to me when he fought Winky. The level of competition he fought above 160 is crazy compared to his only 2 title defenses. He didnt look to impressive against Rubio IMO either. iight PWill did his thing against Winky, who was gone for 2 damn years... And I think Winky was actually the favorite... Winky might have been former p4p b4, but really wat has he ever done to establish his name at MW? He was a Great Light Middleweight i'll admit that

Williams would have whooped Kelly's ass before he got his soul drained by Hopkins. I made a topic about it last summer, and everyone laughed at me. Williams will finish whatever's left of Pavlik.

I always picked Kelly to KO Pwill cuz I don't think he got the chin to take Kelly's power at MW. I changed my mind and believe Pwill can beat him now, just cuz Pavlik got no heart. I'd give him more credit than I woulda given him before if he stopped Pwill, just cuz I see him as reluctant. What makes you say Pav has no heart, Mang?

Wat the hell does that mean? Ever heard of Hearns?? Height aint shit... Ur acting like He's Diesal or sum shit. PWill is skin n Bone. Hold up, Who has Pavlik fought since he became Middleweight champ? Lockett & Rubio? Who? Then he personally says he fights better at higher weights. Wat happened wen he had a rematch wit Taylor? Who won wen he fought B-Hop? I don't care what Pavlik says. My eyeballs tell me he's not the same fighter above 160. Looked comparatively lethargic in the Taylor rematch and he looked like a little boy being taken out to the woodshed against Bernard. PWill has already beaten a world-class fighter in Winky Wright at middle you dope. He could make the lower weights if he wanted but he looked like the same fighter to me when he fought Winky.

no he didnt...he caught quintana and finished him...in what way does that mean he was off? he was outboxed for 12 rounds...he cant fight on the inside...all he can do is throw 654 punches a round and he has crazy reach...i think hes super overrated...and when quintana called him out pwill wanted nothing to do with him Cmon bruh you tellin stories now. Pwill is a pretty damn good inside fighter, especially with those long ass arms hes got. Yes he does have crazy reach..but he doesnt use it as much as he should. He likes to trade in the pocket...have you watched him fight?

The guy's 6-2 for fvck sake. No normal man is a natural welter or junior middle at that height. Sounds like your busy coming up with reasons to not give Pav any credit if he beats Paul. And we both know that BHop is the world's greatest cherry-picker. He knew Kelly had no business being in there with him at 170. Bernard is one cagey old man. Wat the hell does that mean? Ever heard of Hearns?? Height aint shit... Ur acting like He's Diesal or sum shit. PWill is skin n Bone. Hold up, Who has Pavlik fought since he became Middleweight champ? Lockett & Rubio? Who? Then he personally says he fights better at higher weights. Wat happened wen he had a rematch wit Taylor? Who won wen he fought B-Hop?

Pwill might be a Freak of Nature type dude but still and all he's a Light MiddleWeight at most. I still think he could make the WW Limit. Why the **** should Pavlik get any credit for beating Pwill wen BHop was criticized his whole career for fighting smaller dudes. Pavlik will get no credit IMO. He needs to move up a class bcuz 160 sucks now The guy's 6-2 for fvck sake. No normal man is a natural welter or junior middle at that height. Sounds like your busy coming up with reasons to not give Pav any credit if he beats Paul. And we both know that BHop is the world's greatest cherry-picker. He knew Kelly had no business being in there with him at 170. Bernard is one cagey old man.

Pwill might be a Freak of Nature type dude but still and all he's a Light MiddleWeight at most. I still think he could make the WW Limit. Why the **** should Pavlik get any credit for beating Pwill wen BHop was criticized his whole career for fighting smaller dudes. Pavlik will get no credit IMO. He needs to move up a class bcuz 160 sucks now

This makes no sense. He did have an off night. Didnt he clear that up in less than a round? no he didnt...he caught quintana and finished him...in what way does that mean he was off? he was outboxed for 12 rounds...he cant fight on the inside...all he can do is throw 654 punches a round and he has crazy reach...i think hes super overrated...and when quintana called him out pwill wanted nothing to do with him

I always picked Kelly to KO Pwill cuz I don't think he got the chin to take Kelly's power at MW. I changed my mind and believe Pwill can beat him now, just cuz Pavlik got no heart. I'd give him more credit than I woulda given him before if he stopped Pwill, just cuz I see him as reluctant. Yeah, it seems like his heart's not in it like it used to be.

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No. It proves that Williams isn't a MW. If Pavlik can't KO Williams he should stick to fighting cops. I always picked Kelly to KO Pwill cuz I don't think he got the chin to take Kelly's power at MW. I changed my mind and believe Pwill can beat him now, just cuz Pavlik got no heart. I'd give him more credit than I woulda given him before if he stopped Pwill, just cuz I see him as reluctant.

No. It proves that Williams isn't a MW. If Pavlik can't KO Williams he should stick to fighting cops.

no because when tat happens pwill will say he had an off night and have more excuses just like when quintana whooped that ass