Seriously wtf is this undercard turning into? Montiel-Morel, Santos-Foreman and Soto Karass-Gomez. I can't believe i actually though he would put on a good card. No soto or valero? I hope he pulls something out of his ass and makes that fight happen........WAR DON KING!!!!
i know. thats why im asking if soto declined the fight offer
How do you know a offer was made?
Valero ain't even licensed in Nevada.But I see boxrec still has Soto vs TBA on nov 14th but that doesn't mean much.
And to me, a fight can be a competitive war between two fighters and I still wouldn't be interested in it if they were not in the top ten. I'm willing to watch those fights on ESPN, but I'm not willing to shell out money for them. Gomez-Soto Karauss may be a war, but neither fighter is part of the elite picture. It doesn't belong on the undercard. And I don't even have to say anything about the Foreman-Santos fight. Arum made that without finalizing the rest of the line up on the card, and that is complete and utter bullshit. Arum is the worst promoter in the sport where putting on competitive fights on are concerned.
agree fuk arum
And to me, a fight can be a competitive war between two fighters and I still wouldn't be interested in it if they were not in the top ten. I'm willing to watch those fights on ESPN, but I'm not willing to shell out money for them. Gomez-Soto Karauss may be a war, but neither fighter is part of the elite picture. It doesn't belong on the undercard. And I don't even have to say anything about the Foreman-Santos fight. Arum made that without finalizing the rest of the line up on the card, and that is complete and utter bullshit. Arum is the worst promoter in the sport where putting on competitive fights on are concerned.
the last time i checked, soto wasnt sure if he can fight on the undercard against valero. did he decline the fight or what?
The fight was never signed.
Just talks.
seriously, who cares about the undercard?
Montiel-Morel
descent fight
Soto Karass-Gomez
could be a war
yuri vs santos
bboooorrriiinnngggg
its a ok card. But arum was saying he was going to put a great card. He should of took out the yuri fight keep the montiel fight and add valero v soto. That would be a stacked card
Like I said went Bob Arum went on his spiel about this under card,I will believe it when I see it. He always talks about grand things then really just does not follow through.
It is an ok card 2 fights are meaningful fights although Santos-Forman kind of ruins that and the other should be a good scrap although Soto-Karass and Gomez are not the most skilled guys.
I probably won't show up at the party until after 11 on fight night now there ain't no way I am sitting through Santos-Forman so better to just play it safe and avoid most of the undercard.
Yeah it's not horrible besides the yuri fight but i guess we were shooting for the stars with the valero vs soto fight
I see your point if view, but there good cards.
What's wrong woth the undercard i seen worst. The pac/cotto and pbf/marquez card is one of the best cards in a long time. I see no problem with it.
Yeah it's not horrible besides the yuri fight but i guess we were shooting for the stars with the valero vs soto fight
Seriously wtf is this undercard turning into? Montiel-Morel, Santos-Foreman and Soto Karass-Gomez. I can't believe i actually though he would put on a good card. No soto or valero? I hope he pulls something out of his ass and makes that fight happen........WAR DON KING!!!!
What's wrong woth the undercard i seen worst. The pac/cotto and pbf/marquez card is one of the best cards in a long time. I see no problem with it.
santos-foreman
soto-valero
soto-karaas vs gomez
morel-montiel sounds fair
thats 3 title fights with manny-cotto being the #4 title fight!!!!!
if valero vs soto happens yea thats a good card but if it doesn't it aint worth anything.on the dan rafael chat he said the back up plan guerrero vs sotto wont happen
I guess that spectacular undercard that Arum promised is out of the window.
Dan Rafael (12:09 PM)
Yeah, it's looking pretty bad right now. I do believe Bob went into it with the best of intentions. But right now, as it stands, it does not cut it as a top undercard. If it stands as Montiel-Morel, Santos-Foreman and Soto Karass-Gomez, that is very, very disappointing.