F%c& bob arum

i know. thats why im asking if soto declined the fight offer How do you know a offer was made? Valero ain't even licensed in Nevada.But I see boxrec still has Soto vs TBA on nov 14th but that doesn't mean much.

The fight was never signed. Just talks. i know. thats why im asking if soto declined the fight offer

I've been saying that for a long time.

And to me, a fight can be a competitive war between two fighters and I still wouldn't be interested in it if they were not in the top ten. I'm willing to watch those fights on ESPN, but I'm not willing to shell out money for them. Gomez-Soto Karauss may be a war, but neither fighter is part of the elite picture. It doesn't belong on the undercard. And I don't even have to say anything about the Foreman-Santos fight. Arum made that without finalizing the rest of the line up on the card, and that is complete and utter bullshit. Arum is the worst promoter in the sport where putting on competitive fights on are concerned. agree fuk arum

And to me, a fight can be a competitive war between two fighters and I still wouldn't be interested in it if they were not in the top ten. I'm willing to watch those fights on ESPN, but I'm not willing to shell out money for them. Gomez-Soto Karauss may be a war, but neither fighter is part of the elite picture. It doesn't belong on the undercard. And I don't even have to say anything about the Foreman-Santos fight. Arum made that without finalizing the rest of the line up on the card, and that is complete and utter bullshit. Arum is the worst promoter in the sport where putting on competitive fights on are concerned.

the last time i checked, soto wasnt sure if he can fight on the undercard against valero. did he decline the fight or what? The fight was never signed. Just talks.

damn i really wanted valero/soto. I've been asking for this fight forever. montiel/morel should be good atleast.

Why do people ever believe Arum? This is the guy who gave us Butterbean and Mia St.John.

Bob Arum is bad at making good cards.

seriously, who cares about the undercard? Montiel-Morel descent fight Soto Karass-Gomez could be a war yuri vs santos bboooorrriiinnngggg its a ok card. But arum was saying he was going to put a great card. He should of took out the yuri fight keep the montiel fight and add valero v soto. That would be a stacked card

Like I said went Bob Arum went on his spiel about this under card,I will believe it when I see it. He always talks about grand things then really just does not follow through. It is an ok card 2 fights are meaningful fights although Santos-Forman kind of ruins that and the other should be a good scrap although Soto-Karass and Gomez are not the most skilled guys. I probably won't show up at the party until after 11 on fight night now there ain't no way I am sitting through Santos-Forman so better to just play it safe and avoid most of the undercard.

Yeah it's not horrible besides the yuri fight but i guess we were shooting for the stars with the valero vs soto fight I see your point if view, but there good cards.

What's wrong woth the undercard i seen worst. The pac/cotto and pbf/marquez card is one of the best cards in a long time. I see no problem with it. Yeah it's not horrible besides the yuri fight but i guess we were shooting for the stars with the valero vs soto fight

No Soto-Valero or even Soto-Guerrero? :grr:

Seriously wtf is this undercard turning into? Montiel-Morel, Santos-Foreman and Soto Karass-Gomez. I can't believe i actually though he would put on a good card. No soto or valero? I hope he pulls something out of his ass and makes that fight happen........WAR DON KING!!!! What's wrong woth the undercard i seen worst. The pac/cotto and pbf/marquez card is one of the best cards in a long time. I see no problem with it.

...................... It's not going to happen. Do you guys believe its going to be made? I really dont

santos-foreman soto-valero soto-karaas vs gomez morel-montiel sounds fair thats 3 title fights with manny-cotto being the #4 title fight!!!!! if valero vs soto happens yea thats a good card but if it doesn't it aint worth anything.on the dan rafael chat he said the back up plan guerrero vs sotto wont happen

Valero got a DUI in the US, so it's very hard for him to get a visa to fight here right now.

the last time i checked, soto wasnt sure if he can fight on the undercard against valero. did he decline the fight or what?

I guess that spectacular undercard that Arum promised is out of the window. Dan Rafael (12:09 PM) Yeah, it's looking pretty bad right now. I do believe Bob went into it with the best of intentions. But right now, as it stands, it does not cut it as a top undercard. If it stands as Montiel-Morel, Santos-Foreman and Soto Karass-Gomez, that is very, very disappointing.