In order for each man to win, what will they need to do?
This is how I see it:
Pacquiao
1. Don't get into exchanges
2. Dart in and out - Get your punches in, then get out
3. Don't box going backwards - Pac will not be able to go straight ahead on Cotto, but he can't just fight retreating, Cotto thrives off that.
4. Throw your uppercut - Pac needs to exploit one of Cotto's weaknesses, the uppercut. When in close quarters Pac needs to throw his uppercut often.
5. Test Cotto's chin early - If I'm Pacquiao I go out in the first couple rounds and try to hurt Cotto. If you realize his chin isn't that great, fight accordingly, if you realize you can't hurt him, fight for the decision.
Cotto
1. Be Cotto - If Cotto fights in the style that brought him success, he will be hard to handle. If Cotto fights going backwards (Margarito, Clottey), it will be a rough night with Pac's speed.
2. Go to the body - Pac has shown vulnerability to the body and Cotto is a world class body puncher. Go to the body early and often.
3. Box when you need to - Pacquiao is quicker, but Cotto may very well be the better 'boxer'. When Cotto needs to win a round, he needs to try and box Manny.
4. Use his size - Unlike against Margarito, Cotto will be the bigger and stronger man. He needs to use this advantage in clinches and in close quarters to tire Manny out.
5. Go for the KO, but don't bet on it - Cotto needs to remember that Pacquiao is in uncharted waters. This is his first test against a legit elite welterweight and Cotto needs to know this. Throw hard punches and go for the KO, but realize that Manny has a very good chin and the KO may not be in the cards.
I myself am having a tough time picking a winner for this fight, but I believe these are some of the keys to victory for both men. What do you think?
What about that rule that says you can't gain a certain amount of weight after the weigh in? Or is that just for certain states?
there is no such rule.
probably cause cotto is higher than 160 lbs.
What about that rule that says you can't gain a certain amount of weight after the weigh in? Or is that just for certain states?
Well what I believe is that you can analyze a boxing match way better than many self called boxing experts out there.
Well done, I agree with your keys to victory.
Manny Pacquiao ain't the lil guy that he used to be, and Miguel Cotto ain't the beast he once was.
Judah
Mosley
Margarito
Clottey
Although 3 of those lost and one by KO(Judah), Judah had Cotto on queer street but Cotto put him on Low-Blow Boulevard before putting him out for the KO. Mosley had Cotto running like Marion Jones and Cotto barely came out with a win. Margarito was determined to take punishment until the end and it payed off because Cotto quit. Clottey had the fight won but was taken away in the scorecards.
Cotto is not the same anymore, he gets worse while Pacquiao is at his prime.
No need for Pacquiao to back up against this quitter.
I can't believe you ever claimed to support Cotto. You come off as a hater here.
yes.
no, pac can't fight going backwards because he will end up on the ropes where cotto can go to work.
exactly.
feint, in and out, side to side, turn that muthafuker, stay in the middle of the ring
first off, pac needs to get cotto to respect his feints... that will disrupt cotto's timing and keep him at a distance.
clinching w/ cotto is ill advised as cotto is much much stronger.
yep.
nah. if cotto has pac timed, he should try and end the fight with one or 2 punches to the head.
cotto should be putting full force on body punching.
to beat this, cotto just needs to really up his defense but keeping the left high and the right hand in front of his chin instead of at his temple.
highly unlikely.
as long as pac is backing up cotto is winning. if pac turns cotto, pac wins the decision.
its the only way pac can win.
false. if pac can pull it off, cotto will be walking into pac's shots.
true, cotto is going to have to invest heavily in this.
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its the only way pac can win
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Thanks Teddy Atlas......I mean Pull....:fing02:
if only pac-cotto can be as epic as zilla-kong
http://jasonkarpf.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/godzilla_king_kong_small.jpg
We can only hope. I just hope Pac doesn't cheat like Zilla though.
Cotto must try and get pacquiao to fight on the inside, Pacquiao sometimes has the tendency of staying close to the ropes. Cotto must trap him and hit the body. Pacquiao must use his excellent foot work and upper body movement to confuse Cotto and try to get his Left hand in there.
Cotto
1) hope PAC underestimates you
2) pray that you dont gas out after 5 rounds
3) somehow get PAC to wear Winning Gloves
4) take a knee everytime you see that left straight coming
PAC
1) just show up
Typical response from a typical Zilla hugger.
as far as i know.
he doesn't weigh in fight night. that fight pull has on his sig is the last time.
when did he fight urkal? 3-4 years ago? i know it was when he barely moved up to 147.
Yeah, it's an interesting thought. Why doesn't he weigh in on fight night?
Cotto: Use the stiff jab often to keep pac far enough away so as to avoid the devastating inside combo's thrown at all angles. Keep close quarters confrontations to the ropes and not the middle of the ring where it'll be easier for pac to get in his shots and retreat. While at close range, pulverize the body/arms/shoulder/whatever happens to be in the line of fire. Use feints to the head to open up shots to the body. Plan B: Open up the stance and invite him in. Once inside, get physical. Stay in his face, push him around. Make it an ugly affair and hopefully land a few monster blows to finish the job.
Pac: Use the first two rounds to move Cotto around and get a feel for his gameplan. Use the jab or the straight right to get inside, get off slick 3-4 shot combinations and move away. Keep the fight in the middle of the ring but even if Cotto is cutting effectively, be first to attack pumping the straight left into his face, getting inside then turning him. Plan B: World-runner/clincher. Pot shots and smart inside defense and timely clinching. Hope for Cotto to make a mistake or tire (which history has shown is probable). Then take advantage.
Because of size, Cotto has more options and so if Joe does his homework and has any strategic skill, I see Cotto winning this one. I don't like the "piece it together in the ring" freestyle mentality that Cotto has used in the past. Having a large playbook is not the same as having no playbook. And even with a large repertoire you'd want an "opponent specific" gameplan.
That being said, I think if Manny overwhelms Cotto early with speed and some strong flush shots, he might be able to get inside his head and bring back the memories of him getting "plasterred"! LOL
Oh well what do I know! Can't wait til fight night!
that was the last time he weighed in on fight night.
it was also his 1st or 2nd fight at 147.
people gain weight as they get older......it's a safe assumption.
cotto use to come in at 155 plus at 140. he was much younger and slimmer then.
Is that true?
that was the last time he weighed in on fight night.
it was also his 1st or 2nd fight at 147.
people gain weight as they get older......it's a safe assumption.
cotto use to come in at 155 plus at 140. he was much younger and slimmer then.
yes, the pic in my sig was from a long time ago. its very possible and probable that cotto is even heavier now than before.
cotto will be around 10 lbs or more heavier than pac. if cotto is only 154 lbs or below, he fukked up his size advantage.
Agreed
you should stop disagreeing w/ me.
I never disagree with the person, only the point.
You think Cotto will outweigh Pac by 15 lbs or more?
I think Pac will be around 148-149 come fight night. Cotto will be 157 or so. Remember Cotto has to weigh in at 145.
cotto will be around 10 lbs or more heavier than pac. if cotto is only 154 lbs or below, he fukked up his size advantage.
Pullcounter, as much as I disagree with you on many topics, I think I agree with your assessment of the fight.
you should stop disagreeing w/ me.
If Manny is going to win he needs to stay in the center of the ring, dart in and out (as I said originally), avoid getting into close quarter exchanges, and avoid the ropes.
that's the only way he can win
Very tough to do all those things, but it's doable I guess.
its not tough to do, it depends on what cotto will do to counteract this.
i'm just basing the 15 lbs. or more on cotto's recent fights where i think he was over 160.
maybe it'll be less.
a lot of pacquiao's opponents come in light when they fight pacquiao.
maybe to help compensate for pacquiao's speed?
I think Cotto coming in over 160 is a internet myth. The highest he's ever weighed on fight night to my knowledge is 159.
I think it's safe to say Cotto will be between 155-159. Pacquiao I'm not as sure. Is it possible that Pac could come in weighing over 150? I don't think so, but who knows.
Pullcounter, as much as I disagree with you on many topics, I think I agree with your assessment of the fight.
If Manny is going to win he needs to stay in the center of the ring, dart in and out (as I said originally), avoid getting into close quarter exchanges, and avoid the ropes.
Very tough to do all those things, but it's doable I guess.
it might not be as effective but that doesn't mean they won't use the same plan.
they developed that plan for a much bigger , much stronger opponent that manny can't afford to trade with.
that still applies to this fight.
whether it works or not , we'll have to wait 'til november.
it's pacquiao's only options really. slugging it out with a guy that outweighs you by 15 lbs. or more is not smart.
You think Cotto will outweigh Pac by 15 lbs or more?
I think Pac will be around 148-149 come fight night. Cotto will be 157 or so. Remember Cotto has to weigh in at 145.
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