Welterweights Mayweather Jnr should have fought & when:

SG16y ago

Margarito When: In between Floyd beating Baldomir and Margarito losing to Williams Why it didn't happen: Floyd moved up in weight and fought Oscar De La Hoya instead OR When: After Margarito beat Cotto Why it didn't happen: Floyd took a one and a half year break from boxing altogether Cotto When: 2005-2006 at junior welterweight? Why it didn't happen: Cotto didn't want none OR When: Instead of Ricky Hatton? Why it didn't happen: Hatton's career was in a much better position than Cotto's at the time, brought more to the table and was considered as dangerous a opponent as anyone anyway. Also to settle the score being as they didn't meet each other during Mayweather's tenure at junior welter. Oh, and Cotto didn't even chase the fight OR When: Now! Why it didn't happen: It could do yet / frying bigger fish (Pacquiao) Mosley When: 2006-2007 Why it didn't happen: Mosley's "toothache" and vacation and Mayweather frying bigger fish (De La Hoya) OR When: Now! Why it didn't happen: It could do yet / frying bigger fish (Pacquiao & Cotto) / Golden Boy lowballing Mosley's offer to Floyd while offering a far more substantial amount with Marquez's challenge OR When: 2005? Why it didn't happen: Mosley was still campaigning at junior middleweight and didn't respond to the 140lb Mayweather's challenge OR When: 1998-1999? Why it didn't happen: Mosley turned down the still up-n-coming Mayweather Jnr then shortly moved up to 147lbs (Mosley was the one frying bigger fish this time? With De La Hoya in his sights) Conclusion: Mayweather's ducking antics are largely myth. The biggest claim would come from Margarito after beating Cotto, but what can you do? Mayweather felt he needed a break from boxing I think it would be harsh to begrudge him that considering how demanding the sport is and his well documented injury problems. People assume Mayweather has no intention of fighting a welterweight now he's back but these claims are clearly unfounded and only exist because of the bullshit propagated by the large anti-Mayweather culture in the boxing world. It's still early days and I'm fairly confident he will fight at least one of Mosley or Cotto before re-retiring. Do people expect Mayweather to fight the likes of De La Hoya and Mosley within a couple months of each other? Because that's what it seems like... Most of these ducking claims are just ridiculously unrealistic and have no basis in reality. If he went back in time and fought each fighter he supposedly ducked we'd be sitting here complaining about the lack of names like De La Hoya, Hatton, Baldomir and Judah on his resume.

Comments (20)

Doctor_Tenma4618

He's on that level, his footspeed is slower than Castillo but that doesn't mean he's not on his level. Its easy to talk this way about him after losing to Mosley but people weren't saying this stuff before that. There was a time when Margarito was way too overhyped, I have't forgotten and like you (No offense) they made that BAD comparison between him and JLC, when JLC was clearly an overall better fighter. Listen, Margarito is notoriously known for his pressure and truth is, he would have never caught up to Mayweather to aply it.

16y ago

Could you go into further detail of the many boxing stars who chased high reward fights while ignoring and completely disregarding the important ones during the peak of their career? I'd love to hear of all these fighters who have taken this route. You can start a new thread for it if you'd like, or I can do it and you can take over from there. See this sums up the problem, no one is a worthwhile opponent after the fact De La Hoya and Hatton. Important fights. Judah. Important fight. Baldomir, important fight in lieu of his fight with Judah (Mayweather accused of ducking him after fighting the clearly more able, but recently beaten Zab) What I'm saying is that Mayweather HAS fought important, credible fights.

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

I don't know that. Margarito is a mexican legend who is underrated on here. He catches punches, rolls with punches, is great at cutting off the ring, has solid power in both hands, has a great chin, the best uppercuts in the biz, unbelievable stamina, and punch output and can fight both on the inside and outside. Castillo is great too, but I'm not gonna diminish Tony in any way. Very true but simple movement can cut Margarito's workrate in half, Mayweather didn't find any sucess cutting JLC's workrate, JLC was on him like white on rice, that foot speed and ability to cut off the ring was just too good. Margarito is underated and all but I wouldn't compare him to JLC, he ain't on that level.

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

Joe Kapp is that you? Its Raider season homeboy, **** the Vikings.

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

I don't agree with this - I don't think it's as black and white as that. Mayweather certainly does care about legacy and fans and it's disrespectful to dismiss a man holding one of the best resumes around right now as not giving a fuck about making good fights. I don't think he's helped himself with his shameless materialism and compulsion to constantly justify himself via any means possible to his detractors and the boxing media. If often leads to these quotes and "excuses" that every Mayweather detractor keeps a notebook containing, even though they're usually not particularly relevent to the reality of the situation, just examples of Floyd running his mouth. From 140lbs up he's chased the high reward fights (not exactly an uncommon phenomena for a boxer at the height of their career) but has amassed a resume of high standard at the same time. You can't write off the risk just because the reward is high Could you go into further detail of the many boxing stars who chased high reward fights while ignoring and completely disregarding the important ones during the peak of their career? I'd love to hear of all these fighters who have taken this route. You can start a new thread for it if you'd like, or I can do it and you can take over from there.

16y ago

joseph5620

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

:bottle::bottle: You ass :rofl: You're better then that man. Deep down you know damn well JLC >Margarito.

16y ago

Exactly. He's a pro fighter, he aint scared of anyone. He just simply doesn't give a fukk about the fights the fans want to see, he just wants to make the most money he can. Can't totally fault him for that. I don't agree with this - I don't think it's as black and white as that. Mayweather certainly does care about legacy and fans and it's disrespectful to dismiss a man holding one of the best resumes around right now as not giving a fuck about making good fights. I don't think he's helped himself with his shameless materialism and compulsion to constantly justify himself via any means possible to his detractors and the boxing media. If often leads to these quotes and "excuses" that every Mayweather detractor keeps a notebook containing, even though they're usually not particularly relevent to the reality of the situation, just examples of Floyd running his mouth. From 140lbs up he's chased the high reward fights (not exactly an uncommon phenomena for a boxer at the height of their career) but has amassed a resume of high standard at the same time. You can't write off the risk just because the reward is high

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

He would've done Floyd like Castillo did, but worse. JLC is ALOT better then Margarito. JLC was great in the inside, worked his way in with punches, had the hand speed, foot speed, footwork, good at cutting the ring, power, chin, stamina...Margarito was all durability, size and an accumilative puncher. You should be ashamed comparing Margarito to JLC, seriously you should.

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

Cotto/Mayweather made wayyy too much sense for Spring '08. That fight should have happened. But I don't think he "ducked" him, I just think it should happen. And he'll no doubt face Mosley before he faces Cotto....cause if Cotto beats Pac, Arum will want 50/50 and Floyd won't give into that. If Pac beats Cotto, Arum will want more than 50% and Floyd sure as shit aint gonna give in to that. So he'll take a 60/40 split and do easier business with Schafer. That is what will happen. Floyd/Mosley is next for Floyd, no doubt about it. I agree, Mayweather vs Cotto made alot of sense but I knew his heart was no longer in it, especially when you turn down 35m to rematch DLH. Regardless of all the crap anyone would take, you DON'T turn down 35m.

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

Margarito wouldve mangled his little ass. Thats why Money Gay turned down 8 mill. Margarito is too freaking slow, no foot speed, no hand speed, no defense, punches too wide. It would have been one of those so called "Boring U.D"

16y ago

savorduhflavor

I fail to understand what beating Margarito would have done for Mayweather's legacy. Margarito is simply taylor made, slow, open for counter rights, pretty much anything. An opponent Mayweather would win a so called "Boring U.D against". An opponent who was worth Mayweather's time was Cotto but then Cotto ended up losing to Margarito. It ain't like Mayweather didn't contemplate his retirement during the DLH build up, yet to give it another go against Hatton, then turning down 35m for a DLH rematch. It was clear Mayweather's love for the sport either died out or he wanted his body to rest. He's back now, after JMM he is gonna do serious business. Mayweather will start off by leaving Marquez's lifeless body infront of Pacquiao's front door, indeed he has returned to send Pacquiao a a message, it isn't a "Decisively beat Marquez" sorta a message, its a "You'd destroyed my last two opponents, I'll destroy someone most say you didn't beat" sorta message. You people continue to say he is a "Ducker" a "Pussy" and so on, but none of you have the nerve to put up 1mill, in that Mayweather WILL face Pacquiao, Cotto or SSM after Marquez. Cotto/Mayweather made wayyy too much sense for Spring '08. That fight should have happened. But I don't think he "ducked" him, I just think it should happen. And he'll no doubt face Mosley before he faces Cotto....cause if Cotto beats Pac, Arum will want 50/50 and Floyd won't give into that. If Pac beats Cotto, Arum will want more than 50% and Floyd sure as shit aint gonna give in to that. So he'll take a 60/40 split and do easier business with Schafer. That is what will happen. Floyd/Mosley is next for Floyd, no doubt about it.

16y ago

MrBreach

Timing in boxing essential, But some people dont seem to understand that, When a fight happens it happens because both boxers timing are at the same level. spot on man, thats when you get a "real" fight document.write ("")

16y ago

He should have fought Cotto after he beat Hatton and Cotto beat Mosley. That's what should have happened, and it's more of a shame that didn't happen than anything else. That being said, I don't think he "ducked" anyone. But he should have fought Cotto then. No doubt about it. You're right it is a great shame, but I don't think all this finger pointing is necessary. Fights don't get made in boxing from time to time (hell, all the damn time actually); such is the nature of the beast. People seem to expect Mayweather to literally defy time in order to make fights. For the Cotto fight to have happened after Mayweather beat Hatton / Miguel beat Mosley Floyd would have had to postpone his (obviously long planned) "retirement" for a further 6 months or so. While this would have been great for us I just personally find it difficult classing this as a dodge

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

16y ago

Ray

Timing in boxing essential, But some people dont seem to understand that, When a fight happens it happens because both boxers timing are at the same level. I really dont and cant blame him for the Mosley and cotto fight not happening but i also feel he could have fought or found time or space to fight Margarito.

16y ago

savorduhflavor

Good way to phrase it bro. Can't call the man a coward cuz he's a pro fighter. But he is a cherrypicker. Exactly. He's a pro fighter, he aint scared of anyone. He just simply doesn't give a fukk about the fights the fans want to see, he just wants to make the most money he can. Can't totally fault him for that.

16y ago

catalinul

He should have fought or fight now a couple of guys at welterweight.But that is not my disapointment. I have a problem he didn't fight Casamayor,Tszyu,Hatton,Johnston at the lower weights.

16y ago

MANGLER

16y ago