Valero vs. Sotto on Nov. 14 is back on???

OK, Im ready to hear everyone rip Pac as a megastar since there putting this fight on. I mean, everyone ripped Floyd for having a good undercard by saying that this proves he cant sell crap so they need to stack the card. What does this prove about Pac then since this fight is way better than any fight on both undercards? The truth is what I said from the jump. Instead of ripping Floyd just to rip him, you should be praising him because he's the #1 guy responsible for bringing stacked cards back to boxing. I said that in the "is Floyd saving boxing" thread where I talked about how the 24/7 show is making fights huge which was Floyd's idea and now he is stacking undercards which will be great for boxing. Dont tell me that it wasnt Floyd either because GBP has been out there for years and have had the worst undercards in the world but when Floyd gets on it then he tries to bring guys like Zab in who was supposed to be the 1st fight named on the undercard. Dont tell me that wasnt Floyd. Give the man his props for this stuff. This is making boxing great but no one wants to admit it It was Floyd's team's idea, not solely his. He probably grudgingly gave in as the lead promoter of this card, and your guess is as good as mine as to why Floyd gave up some serious coin to have a great under card. When it comes to Floyd, it's soooo unlike him to not to try to grab as much as he can from the loot, that is, if there will`be a loot after Sept. 19...

wtf was the point of posting that ugly bitch at the end? Sorry xcaret, I forgot you're gay. I'll try not to post any more girls pics when you're posting here while spooning your boyfriend...

^ The De La Hoya fight was made out of intrigue and the fact that the fight was going to fatten everyone's pocket's up. Its a business first, as far as the promoters go, and if it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense. A Soto fight would have been enjoyable for hardcore fight fans, but the only reason why the general public would be even remotely interested in that fight is because of Pacquiao. As far as the notion of Pacquiao 'ducking' Soto. Ridiculous. He fought Barerra again and gave the legend a 2nd shot. I actually don't feel like picking apart Pacquiao's resume right now, because his victory over Hatton looks better to me today after I witnessed the Paulie-Diaz fight. Of course I still think it is overrated, but it out did what JMM accomplished by KOing Juan Diaz. Of course JMM probably ruined Diaz because of that knockout. But if we compare common fights with Malinaggi, it looks as if Ricky Hatton would have beaten Juan Diaz. The reason that I sometimes pick apart certain aspects about Pacquiao's resume is because he never defends a title and just goes after the money. I can't blame him though because I would do the same thing if I was in his position. And even though I think there are some instances of where the best fighter in the division does not hold the linear title like Baldomir at 147 and like Hatton may or may not have been at 140 (that would've probably been Bradley or Alexander before Pacquiao came in the division), I do think it is mandatory that a fighter becomes linear as Pacquiao did when he beat Hatton. But just fight a couple of more fights in that division so nobody can question what you are leaving behind. And I don't just criticize Manny for not fighting Soto. Barrera and JMM both fought Rocky Juarez when it is obvious that Soto had already held a victory over him. So the same should apply to those guys. But it just looked like a cop-out to me when Arum had a date and a venue set up on two different occasions with Pacquiao and Soto, and Manny went in another direction. And this was after Soto destroyed his little brother. But so did Urban Antillon, and he is not anything special. :lol1: And I understand what you are alluding to when you say that De La Hoya and Barrera brought more cred with the casual fan and more fame and money to Pacquiao then he would've gotten if he had fought Soto. But the hardcores like me are able to see through that, and realize that Soto posed the bigger danger.

I never wanted to see a Valero-Pacquiao fight, because I think Valero is so unproven it isn't even funny. But I've always wanted to see a Soto-Pacquiao fight. Rocky Juarez would probably beat every fighter on Valero's resume. And I also think that Valero couldn't be as competitive with Guzman as Soto was. That fight was a lot closer to me than what a lot of people made it out to be. Soto deserved a shot at Pacquiao more than De La Hoya and Barrera did. And I can't blame Arum for that fight falling apart, because he tried to make it happen it seemed like. But Manny cheated us out of that fight by fattening up his bank account against Barrera and De La Hoya and ducked Soto on two different occasions. That was the same exact behavior that Mayweather showed regarding Margarito. And yet Mayweather gets more shit? I don't get it. I don't like Mayweather, but there are double standards with him and every other fighter. ^ The De La Hoya fight was made out of intrigue and the fact that the fight was going to fatten everyone's pocket's up. Its a business first, as far as the promoters go, and if it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense. A Soto fight would have been enjoyable for hardcore fight fans, but the only reason why the general public would be even remotely interested in that fight is because of Pacquiao. As far as the notion of Pacquiao 'ducking' Soto. Ridiculous. He fought Barerra again and gave the legend a 2nd shot.

I never wanted to see a Valero-Pacquiao fight, because I think Valero is so unproven it isn't even funny. But I've always wanted to see a Soto-Pacquiao fight. Rocky Juarez would probably beat every fighter on Valero's resume. And I also think that Valero couldn't be as competitive with Guzman as Soto was. That fight was a lot closer to me than what a lot of people made it out to be. Soto deserved a shot at Pacquiao more than De La Hoya and Barrera did. And I can't blame Arum for that fight falling apart, because he tried to make it happen it seemed like. But Manny cheated us out of that fight by fattening up his bank account against Barrera and De La Hoya and ducked Soto on two different occasions. That was the same exact behavior that Mayweather showed regarding Margarito. And yet Mayweather gets more shit? I don't get it. I don't like Mayweather, but there are double standards with him and every other fighter.

Would make Cotto-Pacquiao's undercard closer to Mayweather-Marquez. I think Daniel Santo vs Yuri Foreman is already on the Cotto-Pac undercard.

I will order this card likely if Arum is serious about this. A Valero-Soto fight would be a war while it lasted, but I think Soto gets it done and knocks Valero out.

VALERO-SOTO Another fight on Arum's mind is a match between lightweight titlist Edwin Valero and junior lightweight beltholder Humberto Soto. If you've seen either guy fight, you know it has the makings of a terrific slugfest. Arum wants it to be the co-feature on Nov. 14 on the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao HBO PPV card at the MGM Grand. "We believe we will be able to make Valero against Soto," Arum told me this week. "That's the fight I want to make." A few weeks ago, Arum said he hoped to make the match eventually but would probably have each man in separate Nov. 14 bouts. Now, he's changed his mind. "What changed was I didn't want to do separate opponents because then I have (expletive)," he said. "They should fight each other." Arum had to convince Fernando Beltran, his partner on Soto and Valero, to support the fight. "My argument to him was, 'Look at the landscape. If Manny beats Cotto, the winner of Valero-Soto could very well be the next opponent for Manny,'" Arum said. "I think Manny fighting the winner at 140 pounds would still do 400,000 or 500,000 buys coming off this fight and that is enough to feed everybody." Before Arum can finalize the fight, Valero needs to be licensed in Nevada. That process is expected to start next week, now that Nevada has amended a rule and will now allow fighters who have suffered a cerebral hemorrhage to apply for a license. "If he's licensed, it looks like we can make the fight," Arum said. "To do it on the undercard of a big match like is tremendous." http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4416097&name=rafael_dan :lol1: Arum lied his ass off and it worked. There's no way Arum is going to match Valero or Soto against Pacquiao when he has Mayweather-Marquez's winner or Shane Mosley out there

Man this is a match!!!!!! WaR soto!!!!!!

This would be a great fight anywhere shit even a headliner in boxing after dark series would be perfect. This fight just needs to happen soon.

I see the point you are trying to make, but I think boxing's recently more stacked and quality cards have more to do with the competition that they face from the UFC. Before the UFC started having the level of success that it has in the past couple of years, fight fans did not really have another option to get their fight fixes besides boxing. This is the reason why boxing promoters were able to put a bunch of mismatches and shitty cards, coupled with one good main event fight, and people would essentially have to pay to see one good fight. Now, with the UFC often offering several quality fights for less money, people have an option and a lot of the time feel like they get more bang for their buck with the UFC fights. Fast forward to 2009, and we as fans are finally getting to see more quality fights on one card in boxing than we have in recent times. No doubt UFC is making things difficult but GBP & Top Rank have had the worst PPV undercards in history. They are always terrible and they con people. Everyone who's with the Floyd-JMM fight says that Mayweather Promotions is the co promoter and I just find it highly coincedental that all this undercard stuff starts at this time. You can just feel Floyd & his people coming in and saying that they want a good undercard and they want there boy Zab on there. I bet that got the ball rolling to say that you guys may have to take less than a normal fight but you will more than make up for it with the exposure you get from fighting on PPV under a big main event. UFC has been doing big for awhile now but no one in boxing stepped up. Even if it was about the UFC, I could see Floyd being the one to step up after his battles with Dana White and saying that we need to give the fans more and make better undercards.

OK, Im ready to hear everyone rip Pac as a megastar since there putting this fight on. I mean, everyone ripped Floyd for having a good undercard by saying that this proves he cant sell crap so they need to stack the card. What does this prove about Pac then since this fight is way better than any fight on both undercards? The truth is what I said from the jump. Instead of ripping Floyd just to rip him, you should be praising him because he's the #1 guy responsible for bringing stacked cards back to boxing. I said that in the "is Floyd saving boxing" thread where I talked about how the 24/7 show is making fights huge which was Floyd's idea and now he is stacking undercards which will be great for boxing. Dont tell me that it wasnt Floyd either because GBP has been out there for years and have had the worst undercards in the world but when Floyd gets on it then he tries to bring guys like Zab in who was supposed to be the 1st fight named on the undercard. Dont tell me that wasnt Floyd. Give the man his props for this stuff. This is making boxing great but no one wants to admit it I see the point you are trying to make, but I think boxing's recently more stacked and quality cards have more to do with the competition that they face from the UFC. Before the UFC started having the level of success that it has in the past couple of years, fight fans did not really have another option to get their fight fixes besides boxing. This is the reason why boxing promoters were able to put a bunch of mismatches and shitty cards, coupled with one good main event fight, and people would essentially have to pay to see one good fight. Now, with the UFC often offering several quality fights for less money, people have an option and a lot of the time feel like they get more bang for their buck with the UFC fights. Fast forward to 2009, and we as fans are finally getting to see more quality fights on one card in boxing than we have in recent times.

I just wanna see Valero back in the ring. He's a good puncher which makes fights exciting.

Make this fight. I like Soto in a war.

OK, Im ready to hear everyone rip Pac as a megastar since there putting this fight on. I mean, everyone ripped Floyd for having a good undercard by saying that this proves he cant sell crap so they need to stack the card. What does this prove about Pac then since this fight is way better than any fight on both undercards? The truth is what I said from the jump. Instead of ripping Floyd just to rip him, you should be praising him because he's the #1 guy responsible for bringing stacked cards back to boxing. I said that in the "is Floyd saving boxing" thread where I talked about how the 24/7 show is making fights huge which was Floyd's idea and now he is stacking undercards which will be great for boxing. Dont tell me that it wasnt Floyd either because GBP has been out there for years and have had the worst undercards in the world but when Floyd gets on it then he tries to bring guys like Zab in who was supposed to be the 1st fight named on the undercard. Dont tell me that wasnt Floyd. Give the man his props for this stuff. This is making boxing great but no one wants to admit it I AGREEE. But you know hate is strong shit, it blinds people.

LOL at Manny fighting either of those guys. Whoever wins between Manny and Cotto should be fighting the winner of Mayweather-Marquez... if not, Mosley. Bob trying to line his pockets again - Crafty Jew

OK, Im ready to hear everyone rip Pac as a megastar since there putting this fight on. I mean, everyone ripped Floyd for having a good undercard by saying that this proves he cant sell crap so they need to stack the card. What does this prove about Pac then since this fight is way better than any fight on both undercards? The truth is what I said from the jump. Instead of ripping Floyd just to rip him, you should be praising him because he's the #1 guy responsible for bringing stacked cards back to boxing. I said that in the "is Floyd saving boxing" thread where I talked about how the 24/7 show is making fights huge which was Floyd's idea and now he is stacking undercards which will be great for boxing. Dont tell me that it wasnt Floyd either because GBP has been out there for years and have had the worst undercards in the world but when Floyd gets on it then he tries to bring guys like Zab in who was supposed to be the 1st fight named on the undercard. Dont tell me that wasnt Floyd. Give the man his props for this stuff. This is making boxing great but no one wants to admit it

This would be a great addition to the Cotto-Pacquiao fight. I'll be in the building, and I'd love to see Valero live in person. This would be icing on the cake, and I hope Arum is doing everything he can to get the man cleared in Vegas!

Damn,that would be a great,great fight. I think Soto has the goods to handle Valero. Soto vs Guerrero is another good fighgt.I'd like him to beat Gutierrez who just won the interim title too. Soto vs anyone is a good fight.

Most likely, Golden Boy is puttin alot of pressure on Arum to Counter with a good card after seeing the card for Marquez vs Mayweather.