Fernando Vargas vs Paul Williams @ 154

I say prime Vargas takes it at 154lbs although it would be a very close fight.

vargas can't beat ricardo mayorga, nor will he be able to make 154 ever again. if they were to fight, williams stops this dude. we're talking prime vargas not him now(of course vargas would get brutally ko'd by paul now), the one before oscar or even tito would beat p.will.

im meant as in chosing your fighter over the race . i mean i dont how old were you but a prime vargas was really good i like pwill too but prime vargas was tough n strong i like vargas tito ruin him

Pwill close decision.

Prime Vargas? I got Vargas coming out the winner, I dont think Paul has ever fought some one as ferocious.

I know it doesnt always work this way but look at what williams did to wright! albeit an older heavier wright, but it was so emphatic! I think vargas would get stopped late. I have a feelin williams is something special! :boxing::boxing: he beat the hell outta winky....yea an older winky, but even at his age, i don't know too many fighters that would consitently be able to crack winky's tight defense, and land the way williams was landing. winky's hard to hit clean, but look at his face after that fight, and tell me williams can't crack.... he beat the black off wright, and if not for winky's incredible defense, he would've stopped him.....and the fight wasn't at 170 or some weight winky isn't accustomed to, it was at 160 where he's nice and comfortable. win, lose or draw, winky has the style that makes fighters look bad, which is why he was avoided so much. williams looked good in that fight, and when he's focused and "gamed up," there's not too many fighters that'll be able to stand there and crack with him for 12.....

Oh I know no one does but others may just say it to defend their fighter not necesarily you. you just did your the one that brought race up

Oh I know no one does but others may just say it to defend their fighter not necesarily you. Actually many do.

The Punisher is special,people always complain about fighters,just fighting for money & whatever else,but the Punisher is a real life throw back to when fighters fought for pride 1st & everything after!!3 weight classes 3,simultaniously,begging to exchange blows with the best,while the real superstars of the sport,cry about catchweights & purses!!Imagine if those stars fought everyone,accepted their beatings,when they lost & simply came back stronger cutting down anyone not to scared to trade blows in the square circle!!Winky said it best,the Punisher beats any current 160 champ!!But I'll go further & say any champ from 147-160!! well said.

Oh I thought you were hispanic or black. I don't take race into account when judging a fight.

I know it doesnt always work this way but look at what williams did to wright! albeit an older heavier wright, but it was so emphatic! I think vargas would get stopped late. I have a feelin williams is something special! :boxing::boxing: The Punisher is special,people always complain about fighters,just fighting for money & whatever else,but the Punisher is a real life throw back to when fighters fought for pride 1st & everything after!!3 weight classes 3,simultaniously,begging to exchange blows with the best,while the real superstars of the sport,cry about catchweights & purses!!Imagine if those stars fought everyone,accepted their beatings,when they lost & simply came back stronger cutting down anyone not to scared to trade blows in the square circle!!Winky said it best,the Punisher beats any current 160 champ!!But I'll go further & say any champ from 147-160!!

Lmao none racial stuff but most of the people who pick vargas are mexican.I have Paul williams UD. They might be. I'm european.

Lmao none racial stuff but most of the people who pick vargas are mexican.I have Paul williams UD. or hispanic....williams beats vargas anyday.

Vargas UD.

What about Quartey, Campas, Marquez, Wright? He didn't destroy them all, but he won convincingly, especially against the first 3. none of them are shit......and that winky shit is debateable. yall dudes don't give williams much credit at all. since that quintana debacle, dude has been walking through mu****as, and despite being "there to be hit," dude has never been hurt. he beats vargas's ass.

I got Vargas droppin him numerous times, especially with that lanky chin hangin out there. :dunno: This really is a tough one. Not really much to judge Williams' credibility with(wins over Quintana, Marg, and Wright). Vargas by close UD. Williams' defense isn't that great and i believe Vargas will find a home for that right hand all night long. vargas can't beat ricardo mayorga, nor will he be able to make 154 ever again. if they were to fight, williams stops this dude.

prime vargas was pretty good and had not yet been ruined by tito. its a close fight.

This really is a tough one. Not really much to judge Williams' credibility with(wins over Quintana, Marg, and Wright). Vargas by close UD. Williams' defense isn't that great and i believe Vargas will find a home for that right hand all night long.

Vargas would get to him easier than Quintana did, and easier than Margarito did late. People sleep on Vargas, but he stood up with Trinidad for the entire 12 rounds before finally gettin stopped. I think Williams would even have trouble with a prime Winky. Williams is active, but that long ass reach can be met punch for punch, cause he's not exactly Thomas Hearns with his power. he stops vargas in 10.

Paul Williams by UD