Remember, the 135, 140, 147, 154, 160, 168 are all "limits"

That's my positioning. If Pacman is to challenge for the WW title, allow the champion to fight as his comfortable WW weight...and Pacman can weigh 141 for speed if he wants to or 147 for more strength and bulk if he wants"...but the CHAMP is a WW..he should be able to be 147 if he wants +1 agree :boxing:

Travis,my dude,I understand u quite well,all I'm saying is 99% of welterweight title fights are fought at the limit,why should the champ,the champ,give up the purse the weight and everything else?If Pacman wants the title,he's already getting the lions share,the champ deserves to defend where he normally does!! That's my positioning. If Pacman is to challenge for the WW title, allow the champion to fight as his comfortable WW weight...and Pacman can weigh 141 for speed if he wants to or 147 for more strength and bulk if he wants"...but the CHAMP is a WW..he should be able to be 147 if he wants

yeah but if you don't let a fighter come in at the weight he wants within that limit and take 2 pounds off of it, it's not a welterweight fight. a welterweight fight is from 141 to 147 as you stated.. it is NOT from 141 to 145. idiot, 141 to 145 is still in the WW limit. It's the same shit. lolz

yeah but if you don't let a fighter come in at the weight he wants within that limit and take 2 pounds off of it, it's not a welterweight fight. a welterweight fight is from 141 to 147 as you stated.. it is NOT from 141 to 145.

Indeed, it's a major difference with 141Pac vs 147Cotto pac wont be 141 though, i just used that as an example. and i've no problem with Cotto being 145 either. Im just sick of this back and forth shit. The title can be on the line with a 145 limit, and it can be on the line if 1 guy weighs 147 and the other weighs 141. I dont care about the title. Just wanna see a good fight. Cotto v Pac at a limit of 145 is fine by me. As is a limit of 147. They can fight for the belt, or throw it in the bin. Just wanna see a good fight where the best man wins. I'd prefer a limit of 147 though as it eliminates excuses and i dont want to hear any. Cotto dropping 1 extra pound from his last fight, with 4 months advanced warning is no big deal. which is why Roach should let the limit be 147.

What I think you're failing to understand is that Manny's team want Cotto in as light as they can... it may make sense to have to 147 limit and have Manny come in at whatever weight he prefers... but it was never about Manny, it was about getting Cotto as light as possible. Travis,my dude,I understand u quite well,all I'm saying is 99% of welterweight title fights are fought at the limit,why should the champ,the champ,give up the purse the weight and everything else?If Pacman wants the title,he's already getting the lions share,the champ deserves to defend where he normally does!!

What I think you're failing to understand is that Manny's team want Cotto in as light as they can... it may make sense to have to 147 limit and have Manny come in at whatever weight he prefers... but it was never about Manny, it was about getting Cotto as light as possible. Indeed, it's a major difference with 141Pac vs 147Cotto

he also pointed out that fighters can weigh in under the limit. No reason why Cotto cant weigh in at 146/147 and Manny can weigh in at 141 and fight for the belt. Im sick of this already, Cotto and Pac are 2 of my fave fighters and im starting to dislike both because of all this shit. (not enough to put me of them though) Who cares about the belt anyway. this fight is bigger than the WBO. I just wanna see a good fight. and not have to see half the 1st page dedicated to threads slagging one or the other fighter of. So let Cotto weigh in at 147. It's that simple really,yeah 147 is the limit,so there should be no problem with Cotto weighing just that,to defend his belt,right?!Manny can weigh whatever he likes& Cotto can weigh whatever he,the champ likes too!!

he also pointed out that fighters can weigh in under the limit. No reason why Cotto cant weigh in at 146/147 and Manny can weigh in at 141 and fight for the belt. Im sick of this already, Cotto and Pac are 2 of my fave fighters and im starting to dislike both because of all this shit. (not enough to put me of them though) Who cares about the belt anyway. this fight is bigger than the WBO. I just wanna see a good fight. and not have to see half the 1st page dedicated to threads slagging one or the other fighter of. Then Pacquiao camp, not pac himself will cry that it's now a full 147 limit, belt or no belt. If Cotto at 147 and Pac at 141, Cotto would have the advantage of being at a natural weight. Pac is great at light ww but a few more pounds could help pac

Technically, 141-147 is welterweight... just like 201 is still heavyweight, 165 is super middleweight... As much as I'd like to see the "full feat" of fighting Cotto (who is known for weight issues in the past) at a full 147 limit..technically, those numbers have always been the "limits"...and not necessarily the only number a fighter has to weigh in at.. For example, Hopkins, many times weighed in under the Middleweight limit at 158 1/2-159....that is still middleweight...but 160 is the limit...161 is over the limit... If I am wrong, let me know... either way, I will be pulling for Cotto...Freddy is beginning to "irk" me and I know that's his plan, to get under Pacman's opponent's skin Fantastic post! Even I had forgotten to think along these lines - cheers for the reminder; great post!

He is just pointing out that Cotto wants 147 so pac can fight for the belt, but 145 is still a valid weight to fight for Cotto's belt he also pointed out that fighters can weigh in under the limit. No reason why Cotto cant weigh in at 146/147 and Manny can weigh in at 141 and fight for the belt. Im sick of this already, Cotto and Pac are 2 of my fave fighters and im starting to dislike both because of all this shit. (not enough to put me of them though) Who cares about the belt anyway. this fight is bigger than the WBO. I just wanna see a good fight. and not have to see half the 1st page dedicated to threads slagging one or the other fighter of.

I dont think that is an issue anymore man I agree its the limit what is your point? Is it the catchweight or the fact the belt isnt on the line? I think Cotto agreed to not put the belt on the line cause if he loses he would still have some leverage to fight someone meaningful after He is just pointing out that Cotto wants 147 so pac can fight for the belt, but 145 is still a valid weight to fight for Cotto's belt

Technically, 141-147 is welterweight... just like 201 is still heavyweight, 165 is super middleweight... As much as I'd like to see the "full feat" of fighting Cotto (who is known for weight issues in the past) at a full 147 limit..technically, those numbers have always been the "limits"...and not necessarily the only number a fighter has to weigh in at.. For example, Hopkins, many times weighed in under the Middleweight limit at 158 1/2-159....that is still middleweight...but 160 is the limit...161 is over the limit... If I am wrong, let me know... either way, I will be pulling for Cotto...Freddy is beginning to "irk" me and I know that's his plan, to get under Pacman's opponent's skin I dont think that is an issue anymore man I agree its the limit what is your point? Is it the catchweight or the fact the belt isnt on the line? I think Cotto agreed to not put the belt on the line cause if he loses he would still have some leverage to fight someone meaningful after