Some thoughts on Pacquiao v Cotto - I'm started to lean closer towards Cotto

It seems strange for Cotto backers to draw confidence from the way Zab Judah would potentially match up with Pacquiao. Personally, I feel that Pacquiao will pose many of the same problems for Cotto that Judah did early in their fight, using speed and angles from a left handed stance. Cotto is a badly damaged fighter at this point in his career, and while that was clearly evident to me from his performance against Joshua Clottey, too many seem willing to continute giving him the benefit of the doubt. While he may have dealt with Margarito in a plaster wraps free fight, there can be no doubt that he was punished inalterably on that night. The difference in Pacman-Cotto for me is Manny's ability to avoid punches, and Cotto's inability to do so. Pacquiao will show respect for Miguel's power, but his swift feet and hands will be too much for Cotto to handle.

Cotto beat a faster, Steward even said more skilled, man in Zab Judah. Don't ever forget that. Judah would give Pacqiao problems. At least in the first half of the fight, the front runner that he is. I think that Cotto will overawe Pacqiao. ok..then why is pac #1 p4p and judah is not? come on chinese boy,tell me something idk..

I agree Judah would be a massive match up problem for Pac and Judah was allowed to bully him even a little in the first 6 he may end up KO'ing Judah is dangerous. Lucky for Pac judah has no leverage whatsoever to get any good fights right now. You know what, this thread is about pacman and cotto, i like both fighters and i just want to watch the fight, but i am leaning more towards a pacman win. But i totally disagree with judah ****ing up the pacman, have you seen judah's fight with cotto, yes he was fast, yes he was giving cotto some numbers, BUT THAT ONLY LASTED FOR THREE TO FOUR ROUNDS and after he realized he's not doing much damage, HE GIVES THIS ****ING CLUELESS STARE AND DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO DO ANYMORE, THE KID DOESNT HAVE THE HEART, he had no heart to fight cotto for 12rounds, and with the Pacman i really doubt that he'll have the heart to match up with the TAZMANIAN DEVIL!!! Just watch the cotto/judah fight in u-tube, specially the 1minute breaks, look at judah staring at nowhere...

Yeah I totally agree with your assessment. People like to say Pacquiao has improved so much in every fight but he hasn't improved that much. Marquez was able to out think him and outbox him in the 2nd fight. What the DLH/Hatton fights proved was that Pacquiao's power carried to that weight. The thing with Pacquiao is that he is so fast and powerful that hes a difficult opponent for most people. I guess well find out if Cotto can out think Pacquiao. I think Pacquiao is an awesome person. I like his style and he is very skilled...but I don't think one can judge much on his last two performances because A) de la hoya was old and possibly weight drained and B) hatton was never a great fighter.

ecxcellent post man some people are sayin pac should smother cotto like margo did only difference margo was the bigger man damn near six feet tall... if he fights the way it would be a mistake question is can pac take cotto's power? we wont know until nov 14th i wish i could wake up tomorrow and it was november

I think people are underestimating the fact that Cotto is a very proficient boxer - as in boxer boxer - and if he were to win, that would be his key to victory. If he takes the Morales/Marquez route of boxing Pacquiao with controlled outbursts of aggression to put some hurt on his body every now and then, he can beat Pacman Pacquiao's improvement since the second Marquez fight - which he, in my and a lot of other people's eyes, lost - is being overstated somewhat in my opinion. The Pacquiao who crushed De La Hoya and Hatton is not so far from the one Marquez out-thought and often out-fought Now, Cotto may not be quite as good in the out-thinking area as Marquez, but he evens it up by excelling in the fighting area, with a large advantage in pure brute strength, which should ensure his body attacks bleed out more of Pacquiao's stamina and will to fight along with discouraging him from engaging so freely When the fight was first rumoured I was really confident Manny had Cotto's number and would likely beat him in a pretty violent fashion, but after some deeper consideration I'm not so sure anymore. Cotto will need to fight the fight of his life and be disciplined from the opening bell to the closing one, but he can do it. That's the KEY right thur.. I was hoping, I was the only one, who say that!! :blackeye:

Are you saying Marquez is some kind of a bum who had a 2 close fight with Pac that can go either way? Right! That is what you trying to implied. No I didn't imply anything like that you fukking imbecile I'm simply stating the second Marquez fight is the most recent example of Pacquiao being beatable, and almost a blueprint on how to give him problems People often cite Pacquiao's dramatic improvement when arguing why he'll beat whoever, or why whatever past Pacquiao performance is irrelevent - and he evidently has dramatically improved over the course of his career - but he was close enough to how good he is now in that fight, and he still arguably lost and looked very human

I think people are underestimating the fact that Cotto is a very proficient boxer - as in boxer boxer - and if he were to win, that would be his key to victory. If he takes the Morales/Marquez route of boxing Pacquiao with controlled outbursts of aggression to put some hurt on his body every now and then, he can beat Pacman Pacquiao's improvement since the second Marquez fight - which he, in my and a lot of other people's eyes, lost - is being overstated somewhat in my opinion. The Pacquiao who crushed De La Hoya and Hatton is not so far from the one Marquez out-thought and often out-fought Now, Cotto may not be quite as good in the out-thinking area as Marquez, but he evens it up by excelling in the fighting area, with a large advantage in pure brute strength, which should ensure his body attacks bleed out more of Pacquiao's stamina and will to fight along with discouraging him from engaging so freely When the fight was first rumoured I was really confident Manny had Cotto's number and would likely beat him in a pretty violent fashion, but after some deeper consideration I'm not so sure anymore. Cotto will need to fight the fight of his life and be disciplined from the opening bell to the closing one, but he can do it. Great post. That really depends on Cotto. The best pure boxing I saw from Cotto was in the Margarito fight. But problem was Margarito is slow so I'm not that sure if he can use it on pac. The speedy fighters ... he fought with pressure and timing. I think this is one that he will use on pac. We'll see on fight night.

I'll put it so,Mosley and Clottey are bigger and stronger than Pacman,they may not be as fast,but their damn close,so if they didn't blow Cotto out the water,I don't think Pacman does,just sayin!!

Cotto's a WW. Pac is not. Cotto wins imo.

I think people are underestimating the fact that Cotto is a very proficient boxer - as in boxer boxer - and if he were to win, that would be his key to victory. If he takes the Morales/Marquez route of boxing Pacquiao with controlled outbursts of aggression to put some hurt on his body every now and then, he can beat Pacman Pacquiao's improvement since the second Marquez fight - which he, in my and a lot of other people's eyes, lost - is being overstated somewhat in my opinion. The Pacquiao who crushed De La Hoya and Hatton is not so far from the one Marquez out-thought and often out-fought Now, Cotto may not be quite as good in the out-thinking area as Marquez, but he evens it up by excelling in the fighting area, with a large advantage in pure brute strength, which should ensure his body attacks bleed out more of Pacquiao's stamina and will to fight along with discouraging him from engaging so freely When the fight was first rumoured I was really confident Manny had Cotto's number and would likely beat him in a pretty violent fashion, but after some deeper consideration I'm not so sure anymore. Cotto will need to fight the fight of his life and be disciplined from the opening bell to the closing one, but he can do it. Are you saying Marquez is some kind of a bum who had a 2 close fight with Pac that can go either way? Right! That is what you trying to implied. To refresh you deluded mind. Marquez is a great fighter like Pac and great fighter will always give serious problem to other great fighter but when it comes to their common foe or other opponents of how they dealt them...This will only show you who is the greatest between the two and showed Pac improvements in all departments. Marquez after the first Pac fight and up to this point...Who has the better oppositions and look better, won convincingly, made it look easier when they beat them? I can give you a long detailed history of who they fought and how they won it since their first fight if you want? Back to the topic, Cotto is not the same league with Marquez and he will look bad the same as the others Pac fought who is not on Marquez level. If Cotto will win just because of his size advantage.

Co sign Pac has grown, he's not a FW anymore he's a full blown JWW, Cotto fans best believe that And a JWW Pacquiao is enough to beat a WW Cotto he weighed 145 for the second marquez fight. thats ww not jww.

That's true enough, but Cotto has nowhere the skill level of Marquez and/or Morales. He's bigger but that's about it. That doesn't mean he's a bum, but Marquez and Morales are first ballot HOFers. Cotto is arguably not. He's a big guy with some skills that doesn't even come close to the caliber that Manny has fought. Plaster or not, slow as molasses Margarito was landing on Cotto as early as round 2 of their fight. Cotto cannot adjust it seems. Manny is more precise and will be landing at will and from angles unheard of. It will probably take an accumulation of punches to wear out Cotto, but eventually he'll be taken out. He adjusted pretty well to overcome Clottey Maybe Cotto isn't as good as Marquez or Morales on a pound-for-pound level, but he is still very, very good and has a bigger physical advantage over Pacquiao than those two did I think this physical advantage might allow him to control Pacquiao and keep him under wraps better than he did Margarito

I don't think he's one dimensional at all. But it's well documented and quite clear that he has trouble with top class well educated boxers who don't allow him to engage, and Cotto has it in him to exploit this flaw He needs to be very careful because Pacquiao can explode at any given moment so he'll need to be constantly two steps ahead of Manny That's true enough, but Cotto has nowhere the skill level of Marquez and/or Morales. He's bigger but that's about it. That doesn't mean he's a bum, but Marquez and Morales are first ballot HOFers. Cotto is arguably not. He's a big guy with some skills that doesn't even come close to the caliber that Manny has fought. Plaster or not, slow as molasses Margarito was landing on Cotto as early as round 2 of their fight. Cotto cannot adjust it seems. Manny is more precise and will be landing at will and from angles unheard of. It will probably take an accumulation of punches to wear out Cotto, but eventually he'll be taken out.

TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round. :spank: Why does everyone bring up this BS about Cotto's chin? Since he moved up to WW when have you seen him actually hurt by anyone including Mosley, other than Margacheato!? So give the chin BS a rest already. Come fight night when he takes Pacman's best shot and he's still standing there you'll all be saying, DAMN Cotto can take a shot! I don't see this fight going past 7 rounds, but it's going to be Pacman sleeping not Cotto! Pacman has shown me nothing new in his last fights, big deal he beat Diaz, people still say WHO? Big deal he beat DLH, or shall we say a dried up prune called DLH, and Hatton, who was almost KO'd by Collazo who I wouldn't exactly call a puncher or killer! Look at this fight objectively and don't tell me how Clottey beat Cotto. I was at that fight and if it wasn't for the headbutt, Cotto would of handed Clottey his ass rather easily, but the headbutts made Cotto a little leary and Clottey did give up the last 2 rounds or he would of won. Clottey wasn't robbed he gave it away.

TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round. i hear you mate, to be fair though, i'm more referencing the second JMM bout than the Morales one I guess the make or break factor could be Cotto's ability to tough it out and outlast Pacquiao, and based on the Clottey fight and bits and pieces of past fights, I personally think there's a good chance he can for the record I'm not saying Cotto will win, or that i'd even bet on him to win, but i'm just realising it's very far from a foregone conclusion and is at most 60-40 in *whomevers* favour Pacquiao went into De La Hoya and Hatton fights with a lot of questions being asked of him, whereas in this one it seems no one's daring to doubt him again and that's dangerous when he's gonna be sharing the ring with someone as live as Cotto

I think this is a pick em fight. Tought 2 predict a winner, I doubt we see a blowout 4 eithier guy.

TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round. Co sign Pac has grown, he's not a FW anymore he's a full blown JWW, Cotto fans best believe that And a JWW Pacquiao is enough to beat a WW Cotto

Speed vs Timing

TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round.