Do people look past James Toney's padded record?

Ye he was a good fighter (Holley Mims) however he had no punching power and his claim to fame was a good fight against Rubin carter. Robinson had a cut over the eye which made the fight harder, he is probably better than a padding on a record though but, he wasn't a world beater by any stretch of the imagination. Mims actually had several good wins over Jose Basora, Johnny Bratton, Willie Troy, Spider Webb, George Benton, Henry Hank, Jimmy Ellis, Gomeo Brennan, lost razor close decisions to Dick Tiger, Joey Giardello, Rubin Carter, Joey Archer, Luis Manuel Rodriguez. Robinson was the first man to ever knock him down and he was only stopped once in his career, due to a headbutt which caused a bad cut. At his best he was a top 3 middleweight contender in the world. I disagree that he had no punching power, he fought a high level of opposition and buckled the iron-jawed Joey Archer several times: A much, much better fighter than his record indicates.

True but then again Robinson was over 40 years old when he fought most of them. Toney too fought the fighters that the thread starter mentioned during his 1994-2003 run when he had lost interest in boxing and its politics. Holley Mims is a good example of records being deceiving. He was as tough as anyone Robinson ever fought. Toney fought a guy named Sanderline Williams and had to go toe-to-toe with him for 10 rounds to pull out a draw. Williams' record was 24-11 but he had arguably beaten Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Nigel Benn... Ye he was a good fighter (Holley Mims) however he had no punching power and his claim to fame was a good fight against Rubin carter. Robinson had a cut over the eye which made the fight harder, he is probably better than a padding on a record though but, he wasn't a world beater by any stretch of the imagination.

This thread is pointless. Lets look at the greatest's record (Sugar Ray Robinson) Rudolph Bent 39-41-4 Peter Schmidt 22-25-7 Harvey McCullough 7-26-2 Neil Morrison 3-3-1 Harvey McCullough 7-25-2 Rocky Randell 78-53-14 Earl Bastings 10-10-3 Jimmy Beecham 40-30-3 Fabio Bettini 20-10-5 Jean Beltritti 6-1-0 Jean Baptiste Rolland 10-4-0 Jackie Cailleau 11-10-0 Johnny Angel 12-5-1 Clarence Riley 21-28-5 Gaylord Barnes 5-25-0 Armand Vanucci 18-5-2 Andre Davier 20-10-1 Emile Saerens 13-2-2 Fabio Bettini 18-7-3 Armand Vanucci 18-4-2 Maurice Rolbnet 0-0-0 Billy Thornton 0-0-0 Bernie Reynolds 0-0-0 Georges Estatoff 2-10-2 Bobby Lee 0-1-0 Tony Baldoni 24-10-1 Bob Young 18-8-1 Jean Wanes 6-23-4 Kid Marcel 22-22-3 Don Ellis 29-21-6 Holley Mims 18-7-4 Billy Brown 53-29-6 Cliff Beckett 15-15-3 Charley Dodson 40-29-3 Benny Evans 30-36-4 Cecil Hudson 59-30-4 Freddie Flores 21-38-10 Ossie Harris 41-46-6 Flashy Sebastian 20-14-2 Sammy Secreet 29-21-2 Freddie Wilson 11-24-0 Bernie Miller 45-17-3 Ossie Harris 38-35-6 Sidney Miller 11-24-5 True but then again Robinson was over 40 years old when he fought most of them. Toney too fought the fighters that the thread starter mentioned during his 1994-2003 run when he had lost interest in boxing and its politics. Holley Mims is a good example of records being deceiving. He was as tough as anyone Robinson ever fought. Toney fought a guy named Sanderline Williams and had to go toe-to-toe with him for 10 rounds to pull out a draw. Williams' record was 24-11 but he had arguably beaten Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Nigel Benn...

Toney has a very good record.

anyway you rarely see a fighter fighting p4per every time. as word goes some fighter were consider to be good but because of the lack publicty in them you quiet dont know the circumstance. I remeber one of the fight James Toney had real problem with on of the fighter at SMW and that he moved up in weight.

2002-08-18 Jason Robinson 16-2-0 2002-05-31 Michael Rush 23-5-1 2002-03-22 Sione Asipeli 17-3-2 2001-07-20 Wesley Martin 13-29-8 2001-03-29 Saul Montana 34-9-0 2000-11-03 Courtney Butler 20-4-2 2000-01-21 Terry McGroom 18-1-2 1999-10-08 Ramon Garbey 14-1-0 1999-07-30 Adolpho Washington 27-7-2 1999-03-07 Terry Porter 11-3-2 1997-06-14 Steve Little 24-14-2 1996-08-09 Duran Williams 16-1-1 1996-07-03 Charles Oliver 16-5-1 1996-05-14 Earl Butler 16-8-2 1996-03-01 Richard Mason 21-4-1 1995-12-08 Greg Everett 21-2-0 1995-09-09 Ernest Mateen 23-4-1 His record is very deceiving, i posted 17 gimme wins he got in the middle of his career all the way until he moved up to cruiser/heavyweight. Toney was a great fighter but i am just pointing out how no one really talks about how padded his 71 wins are. Toney like to stay active he would fight anyone they put infront of him.

Guy fought 80 times. It's hard to do that without a bunch of padding nowadays. yeah some years he was very active with more than 4 fight

This thread is pointless. Lets look at the greatest's record (Sugar Ray Robinson) Rudolph Bent 39-41-4 Peter Schmidt 22-25-7 Harvey McCullough 7-26-2 Neil Morrison 3-3-1 Harvey McCullough 7-25-2 Rocky Randell 78-53-14 Earl Bastings 10-10-3 Jimmy Beecham 40-30-3 Fabio Bettini 20-10-5 Jean Beltritti 6-1-0 Jean Baptiste Rolland 10-4-0 Jackie Cailleau 11-10-0 Johnny Angel 12-5-1 Clarence Riley 21-28-5 Gaylord Barnes 5-25-0 Armand Vanucci 18-5-2 Andre Davier 20-10-1 Emile Saerens 13-2-2 Fabio Bettini 18-7-3 Armand Vanucci 18-4-2 Maurice Rolbnet 0-0-0 Billy Thornton 0-0-0 Bernie Reynolds 0-0-0 Georges Estatoff 2-10-2 Bobby Lee 0-1-0 Tony Baldoni 24-10-1 Bob Young 18-8-1 Jean Wanes 6-23-4 Kid Marcel 22-22-3 Don Ellis 29-21-6 Holley Mims 18-7-4 Billy Brown 53-29-6 Cliff Beckett 15-15-3 Charley Dodson 40-29-3 Benny Evans 30-36-4 Cecil Hudson 59-30-4 Freddie Flores 21-38-10 Ossie Harris 41-46-6 Flashy Sebastian 20-14-2 Sammy Secreet 29-21-2 Freddie Wilson 11-24-0 Bernie Miller 45-17-3 Ossie Harris 38-35-6 Sidney Miller 11-24-5

I am a big James Toney fan and followed him a long time since he knocked out Nunn. Toney record is not really padded at all. If anyone has followed his career he use to fight almost every 2 weeks back when he was middleweight just to stay shape. Alot of fighters do not do that now a days unless they are an up and coming fighter. Toney is a true throwback he did not care about waiting to defend his titles he got in there and fought because that is what he loves to do. Good Post lightsoutrome. This is what I was going to say. James has done what only few have such as Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Mickey Walker and Ezzard Charles. James' motto is 'Anyone', 'Anytime', 'Anywhere!' Today's Champions are content with one fight every six months. What a load of rubbish! Toney was a poster boy for an active Champion and a throwback to the old days by fighting every month. Toney would fight every week if he had it his way. Seen all of James' fights and just about all of his opponents were very tough opponents and came to fight. Doug De Witt, Iran Barkley, Mike Mc Callum, Freddie Delgado, Glenn Thomas, Adolpho Washington, Vassiliy Jirov, Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa, Sanderline Williams, Ricky Thomas, Tony Thornton, Steve Little, Ramon Garbay, Sioni Asipelli, Michael Rush, Drake Thadzi, Hasim Rahman, Evander Holyfield and Richard Mason are all reminiscent of tough opponents. Toney took some tune up bouts after time off such as Saul Montana whom Toney fought during filming of Ali film. Alexander Gurov pulled out of eliminator fight with Toney in 2001 due to him not getting visa or having cold feet at the eleventh hour. So, Courtney Butler was put in as a last minute replacement. James has been in with the best fighters in the World from 154 pounds all the way up to Heavyweight and has never been stopped and has softened up a lot of fighters over 20 years.

Rockin...it was probably Dawson, Oliver or Jose Rivera if it was somewhat recent..I think they showed Jose winning the WBA 154 title a couple weeks ago on ESPN Classic...

When you have around 80 fights you are bound to have some gimmies but Toney's record is very good,he has very good names there.

Look at his record, even the high majority of his regular ten round fights came against guys who were solid amateurs, had enough pro fights, had skills, etc...I think sometimes people SERIOUSLY underestimate the skills and toughness of guys just because they dont have unbeaten records or because they arent big name fighters...

Toney "padded" his record for a reason. He was born to fight. He fought 6 times in 91, with 3 of them AFTER he fought Nunn, 5 times in 92, 6 times in 93, 5 times in 94 etc, 6 times in 95 etc. This willingness to fight so frequently is unheard of today. Toney just wanted to fight, whether it be against good comp. or against "bums". The guy just loves to fight period.

James Toney has fought an IMPRESSIVE array of competition for almost 20 years now...padded record?? INSANITY

He was just keeping active, almost no American fighter has had that many fights in more than a generation. The guy just loves fighting. That's a good point. I rather a fighter stay active and fight lower tiered comp rather than stay inactive waiting for a big fight. Plus, I think staying active keeps a fighter on top of his game...

It was Jason Robinson he knocked out in a cruiserweight title eliminator. Toney had some good performances during those 10 years as well as some bad ones. I believe Toney himself said that he lost interest in boxing due to all the politics. Yup thats it. Damn what a KO. And it was plenty obvious he was disinterested. Such a shame - compared to Jones & Hopkins, I thought he had more talent & skill than both. Funny how he finished with the bronze.

I think the worst culprit of the padded record has to be the Chavez family. Sr and Jr. No offense but Sr was a belt holder in his prime fighting guys 0-0, 4-3, 5-3, 1-0. chavez jr is more padded than his daddy, least you can say his daddy was starting out or some shit. why chavez jr excuse...he got his dad last name and in boxing having a famous last name earns you a tittle shot. guess matt vanda is an elite fighter

I think the worst culprit of the padded record has to be the Chavez family. Sr and Jr. No offense but Sr was a belt holder in his prime fighting guys 0-0, 4-3, 5-3, 1-0. Pernell Whitaker doesn't have a padded record by any means (he only had 46 fights, mostly against ranked opposition) but he too fought more than a few bums while reigning as champion.

He was just keeping active, almost no American fighter has had that many fights in more than a generation. The guy just loves fighting.

I think the worst culprit of the padded record has to be the Chavez family. Sr and Jr. No offense but Sr was a belt holder in his prime fighting guys 0-0, 4-3, 5-3, 1-0.