Chagaev's weak performance

Sanders isn't a pressure fighter so the Haye analogy is ridiculous. Sanders got inside because Wlad didn't know how to take advantage of his size and because he was still a brawler who lacked a proper defense. Manny molded Wlad into a complete fighter and that's why Wlad's been so dominant! Brewster did the bum's rush on Wlad and got the win in the first fight after Wlad punched himself out battering (Haye could never take the punches that Brewster took that night) him around the ring. This fight was also before Wlad had complete confidence and perfection in the new style Manny was teaching him. Wlad showed the difference in the rematch with Brewster and during his 5 year unbeaten run. How is just throwing bombs without any defense or skills exciting? Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, you would probably find MMA or Toughman contests more to your liking than boxing...

Yes, yes i do. i don't think so, Haye has very quick feet and cat like reflexes, Haye keeps his hands low, that's because for most part his reflexes are his defense, Haye would not be a sitting duck like Chagaev and cop the jab, he will slip and move and get inside of the Klitschko jab, Klitschko has nothing but a 1-2, once Haye gets inside, goodnight Wlad

Haye was pretty much careless early in his career, i don't care who you are, if you take flush shot on the chin you will go down, even Wlad has been stopped by a guy like Purrity who has lost to guys with only 5 pro fights in his career, Mormeck is a hard puncher, no doubt about that, You think Haye would be in front of Wlad to take the jab all night like Wlad's previous opponents? Yes, yes i do.

Id like to know why he ever took the name 'white tyson' it's an insult to Mike! I think we can all rally behind that one.

give him a break. he has typhoid. he only fought for the money

Wlad is the king of jab, his enormous reach just keeps whoever he fights totally trapped at the range that suits Kiltschko. It's not pretty to watch but its proved to be a ruthlessly efficient style. I really wonder how Haye could get past that job, let alone the huge size and weight advantage Wlad has. I guess he would have to do a Tyson style rampage and just go straight under and through Wlad's guard to stand any chance.

Haye has one advantage over Wladimir - speed. Wladimir's massive edge in terms of power and technical ability will overcome that easily, not to mention his massive physical advantages. I'm not sure if you have watched much of Haye. He is exciting, yes, but he has struggled with some fairly ordinary fighters. He has certainly done nothing to make me believe he is able to compete with a world class heavyweight like Wladimir. i have seen just about all of Haye's fights, last time Klitschko fought an aggressive, fast handed power puncher he was KO'd, he couldn't handle Sanders who went after him and worked his way in close by pressuring Klitschko, then sent him to sleep, Haye will do the same

I disagree mang. I think one of two things. Either he was so hurtin' for cash and took this fight to make up for the lost payday w/ Valuev or he was never that good to begin with. The thought of Wladdy just being that good is the most remote possibility in my mind. I mean think about it. Tony Thompson fought better than Chagaev. That tells me Chagaev was an overrated paper champ, in recess no less, all along. Oh I ain't sayin Chag is gr8, just that he didn't lie down. Dude fought his ass off, but stood no chance. He has a good chin and was unbeaten, so I'd call him a good fighter, whatever that means in the present HW division. All the guys who face Wlad get slapped around like that. Chag got it worse cuz he's also much shorter, which is where his ridiculous White Tyson name must come from.

Chag tried, he just got owned. Pretty simple.

Wlad couldn't KO a sitting duck like Chagaev, Chagaev was there to be KO'd from round 2, Chagaev was plodding forward with a high guard rarely throwing a punch, Wlad was teeing off but still couldn't convincingly KO Chageav at any stage i don't believe Haye would just stand in front of Wlad, he would get angles, Haye does have good, fast footwork Haye has one advantage over Wladimir - speed. Wladimir's massive edge in terms of power and technical ability will overcome that easily, not to mention his massive physical advantages. I'm not sure if you have watched much of Haye. He is exciting, yes, but he has struggled with some fairly ordinary fighters. He has certainly done nothing to make me believe he is able to compete with a world class heavyweight like Wladimir.

so what he beat savon in amateurs.means nothing in the pros.hepb,inactivity,& too many tough injuries.he's done

Lolenga Mock,Tony Booth. I'd love to get beaten up by Tony Booth, he seems like a top bloke.

I'm still waiting for someone to post Haye's weak resume...... Lolenga Mock,Tony Booth.

I'm still waiting for someone to post Haye's weak resume...... to be fair,for the amount of fights klitschko has had,he hasnt generated the excitement haye has or done anything great really

Yes. Haye is easy to hit. That isn't going to change now he is at Heavyweight. His defensive skills are limited and he has a weak chin. Not exactly a great combination when you are going up against one of the hardest punchers around. I think Wlad most probably takes Haye out very early. There is a remote possibility that Haye lands a big shot and the reverse happens, but most likley Wlad will stop him inside 6 rounds. Wlad couldn't KO a sitting duck like Chagaev, Chagaev was there to be KO'd from round 2, Chagaev was plodding forward with a high guard rarely throwing a punch, Wlad was teeing off but still couldn't convincingly KO Chageav at any stage i don't believe Haye would just stand in front of Wlad, he would get angles, Haye does have good, fast footwork

Who has Haye beat? so i take it you dont want to see wlad in an exciting fight,thats fair enough

im just fed up of c-ing wlad in these fights that u have to force yourself to watch,boring and monotonous-not hating i just think the HW division needs some action like it use to have thats all I wish the challengers were more up to the Klits level as well, but there is not much that can be done about it.

Who has Haye beat? Dude, that is just repetative bullshit that does nothing but annoy people.

It would be entertaining I'm sure. I'm not trying to hate on Haye, I like him and he is exciting for the division. I jsut don't really see him going close to beating Wladimir. im just fed up of c-ing wlad in these fights that u have to force yourself to watch,boring and monotonous-not hating i just think the HW division needs some action like it use to have thats all

against Mock he suffered a flash kd, Haye went on to stop Mock, against Thompson he came out guns blazing and hit Thomson with punch in the book, Haye didn't pace himself and was going for an early impressive KO (something Wlads hasn't the courage to do) against a former world champ, by what, round 4-5 he was gassed out severely and has nothing left in his tank which was his own fault, a Thompson punch didn't cause Haye to be out on his feet, it was his own wrongdoing, all Thompson had to do was land a couple of combo's on Haye to force the ref to stop it, Thompson didn't ktfo Haye against Mormeck he took a flush hook on the chin, took a knee, and went on to stop Mormeck The point is that these guys are Cruisers, and not particularly great cruisers at that, who are hurting Haye and/or knocking him down. Given that, there is no way that he is going to be able to stand up to what Wladimir has to offer, which is a hell of a lot more than Mock or Mormeck. If Wladimir can hit HAye, which is undoubtedly will be able to seeing he is the bigger and more skilled technician, he will hurt and stop him. It is as simple as that.