Wlad is the Ring heavyweight champion, not the lineal

Ring Magazine does not get to determine the lineal championship of any division. Lineal is the man who beat the man who beat the man until someone retires without losing. The way lineage is re-established is simple, and this is the only way it can happen. You take the top two fighters in the division (and there MUST be a consensus) and match them together. There is no other way. You cannot take the number one ranked and match him with a random contender and claim it is the lineal title because that is easier. We just have to deal without having one. We right now are in an era where there has been no lineal heavyweight champ since Lewis. There are two clear cut, indisputable heavyweights that rank above all others. They, however, are brothers. The only fight that can re-establish a lineal reign is the obvious matchup of the Klitschkos. We're cheating ourselves to try to make it otherwise. The only way there can be a lineal champ (unless they actually were to fight each other) is with some patience. Eventually one will retire or lose and fall down the rankings making a re-establishment of the lineage possible. Ring magazine usually keeps its rankings and champion in line with the lineages, but occasionally it fails to. It does not determine who the linear champion is. No body, sanctioning or media, does such a thing. That is why the lineal title means something. The Klitschkos are great, great fighters. I am not disparaging them at all. I am in the minority (at least here in the states) who believe they would give any number of all time greats serious, serious problems. They have just simply not re-established lineage because of one another. The Ring Magazine title is not automatically representative of the lineage.

Comments (10)

Iceta

I agree, he's not. I don't think Vlad can beat his big brother. He's not even capable of beating Vitali's scraps.

16y ago

Naps

And Chagaev isn't a healthy man. Aye, I have a topic planned for that. not sure when to release it though.

16y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

I was thinking the same. Always thought it had to be the top 2 guys fighting to have the Ring Belt on the line.

16y ago

Southpaw_Stinger

Wlad is better than Tony Thomson and Chagaev. lol. And Chagaev isn't a healthy man.

16y ago

Naps

Wlad is better than Tony Thomson and Chagaev. lol.

16y ago

Southpaw_Stinger

Feckin' Lewis retiring!

16y ago

lennon

wrong wlad is the lineal champ..linearship was vacant cause lewis retired wlad beat the #3 man in the division along with 2 other champs.byrd and iggy..he's not fighting vitali so shut that shit up..wlad is a linear as it gets..plus chagaev was the REAL wba champ not valuev So to be the best you have to beat the number 3 guy and get a free pass to duck the number 2 guy who happens to have a title, also had the ring title and never lost it! Being The champ means youve proved to be the best by beating the best. Wlad isnt doing that so will never be undisputed champ or lineal. Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion. Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! Wlads never fought the champ, win or lose! But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders . Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt! Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status. Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s. The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali. THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO. To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad, Lewis`s retired title, WBC. He never lost the Ring title. Lineage of victory over Wlad. Lineage of WBO title. plus Wlads never been Emiritus! Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?

16y ago

MANGLER

When Ring crowns a champ, it establishes a new lineage TS.

16y ago

jcarr71

How is he the lineal champ? How can anything but beating the champ or a one versus two determine that?

16y ago

jcarr71

What? Wlad is great. I think he's awesome. He's just not the lineal champ. The point of the lineal champion meaning something is that it is indisputable and independent from corruption by being independent from any sort of body. It doesn't matter if Wlad v Vitali will never happen, that just means there is no lineal champ for now. You don't know what the lineal champ even is, do you?

16y ago