Can we at least give Clottey his props as an elite fighter?

beside the headbutts, clottey is solid. but i realld do no like the headbutts.....

I think he is elite but I do have one thing I think he needs to change.he complains too much to the referee & he has had a history of making excuses.injuries happen but don't use them as a crutch for why you lost.it's better to lose in grace than cry & bitch.if anyone watched librado andrades interview after the bute robbery will know what I mean by class.

I believe he has earned his right to be considered a true elite fighter. He definitely is - if he could muster a killer instinct and close the show - he would be a champion especially last night

I didnt know being a tall skeleton makes you some kind of HUGE beast. Since the second CQ fight he hasn't looked like a tall skeleton to me. But hey, that's just my observation.

I don't know man, I see williams as a Jr MW or MW now. He's just a damn tall guy, rangy, and with serious stamina. He can campaign at WW, but what does it prove? That a big skilled guy beats little skilled guys? It's better for him legacy wise to take car of guys similar in size and challenge those who have advantages over him. The money will come. I didnt know being a tall skeleton makes you some kind of HUGE beast.

Maybe you're right. I'm just going off how he reacts to success (Baldomir, Margarito, Cotto) I understand, he should have fought his ass off in the 12th round. I think he was trying to make the round go by faster, because he felt he had already won. Just completely uncalled for. Williams is a bad matchup for Clottey. Josh is just not mobile enough to cause him problems. Winky proved that the shell defense is not effective against a guy who throws with the volume that Paul does. Clottey beats Berto now though, IMO. Make it happen. Maybe, Marg didn't have plaster on his chin and Cotto didn't seem capable of stopping him. Margs volume is tough for a guy like Cotto, especially late, when he seems to tire a bit. It'd be the fight I'd go for if I were him though. That's the point. Margarito's never seemed effected much by Cotto's punches, and his pressure was unstoppable for Cotto. Just to tough a man, tougher chin than Clottey's.

Clottey has elite level boxing skills but he seems to lack the mentality of a great fighter. Not trying to offend anybody since my current favorite fighter Glen Johnson has had the same problems as Clottey does. He is content on doing just enough but often it is not enough.

I didn't see any elite fighters in that ring last night. If that's what you call elite,you should raise the bar...a lot. You'd think Clottey was the champ if you didn't know better. The douche radar is bleeping... :rofl:

I didn't see any elite fighters in that ring last night. If that's what you call elite,you should raise the bar...a lot. You'd think Clottey was the champ if you didn't know better. Too bad your definition of "elite" fighter wants nothing to do with either of these warriors.

I don't know man, I see williams as a Jr MW or MW now. He's just a damn tall guy, rangy, and with serious stamina. He can campaign at WW, but what does it prove? That a big skilled guy beats little skilled guys? It's better for him legacy wise to take car of guys similar in size and challenge those who have advantages over him. The money will come.

Williams is a bad matchup for Clottey. Josh is just not mobile enough to cause him problems. Winky proved that the shell defense is not effective against a guy who throws with the volume that Paul does. Clottey beats Berto now though, IMO. Make it happen. Maybe, Marg didn't have plaster on his chin and Cotto didn't seem capable of stopping him. Margs volume is tough for a guy like Cotto, especially late, when he seems to tire a bit. It'd be the fight I'd go for if I were him though. Oh I def agree Williams beats him, but if Cotto doesnt give Joshua a rematch then I think Clottey will be looking for another name money fight... and WIlliams is one guy that would take the challenge

Clottey's definitely elite. I hope he keeps getting big fights in the future.

I bet paul williams would be willing to fight Clottey, and possibly Berto Williams is a bad matchup for Clottey. Josh is just not mobile enough to cause him problems. Winky proved that the shell defense is not effective against a guy who throws with the volume that Paul does. Clottey beats Berto now though, IMO. Make it happen. Yeah that would be good, but I think Margarito would beat him again, plaster or not; unless Margarito was damaged by Shane. Maybe, Marg didn't have plaster on his chin and Cotto didn't seem capable of stopping him. Margs volume is tough for a guy like Cotto, especially late, when he seems to tire a bit. It'd be the fight I'd go for if I were him though.

I am a huge fan of Miguel Cotto but yesterday i believe cottley won the fight but he drop the ball on the last rounds i think cottley is a good elite fighter but you have to take and consideration that cotto figh 9 rounds handycap with one eye so ill give props to each 1s. Cotto was a warrior and he survive another warrior, i am glad cotto won the fight and i will like to see a rematch Cottley deserve it that is my opinion. It was a awesome fight by the way

He fought well last night although I think he could have done better. I see what you mean, the stunts he pulled to buy time were uncalled for. But he had taken some good shots and fought pretty well out of the corner, so I think his heart was there, but his will was lacking. Maybe you're right. I'm just going off how he reacts to success (Baldomir, Margarito, Cotto)

Definitely an elite fighter at WW...

I guess, kinda like Margarito threw the same belt in the trash to fight Cotto as well, money. Not sure the top guys are going to be any more willing to jump in with Clottey after last night though. If I were Cotto, I'd fight Margarito first, even if I had to go to Mexico to do it. Yeah that would be good, but I think Margarito would beat him again, plaster or not; unless Margarito was damaged by Shane.

I bet paul williams would be willing to fight Clottey, and possibly Berto

ive always said he was top 3 welterweights. he cant get more exposure cuz they dont wanna fight him. true that!!

Clottey was winning the fight but kinda faded late...its cool to say he's elite though.