Williams vs Pavlik at middleweight

An inactive 36 year old Winky is better than Sturm and any other paper champ at 160? Are you serious? Winky would beat anyone of those fighters,u know it,inactive or not those guys aren't elite!!!Winky has'nt taken that kind of punishment in forever,do u really think any of those guys could have done that to Winky,no way!!!

I agree - Pavlik with the KO!! WIlliams brings too much heat for Pavlik to take. He moves too much as well. Paul moves on angles throwing from way outside. BHOP showed how to dismantle Pavlik and Williams is more than capable.

Paul Williams has what it takes to beat Kelly Pavlik,but the only problem I see is that if Williams stops boxing,and try's to brawl with Pavlik that would be a big mistake on his part.If Kelly lands a straight right hand flush on PWill's chin,that would probably end his night.So I pick Kelly Pavlik by late K.O, all Kelly has to do is turn it into a Brawl

Big guy ur on point with what u said,u shoulda just put it like so for all those who don't understand,Winky beats Pavlik and Abraham and Sturm any any other paper champ at 160,the Punisher just beat him badly!!!Winky is a better fighter than anyone of those 160 champs and an elite fighter,the Punisher has the tools to fustrate Pavlik and make him look like what he is 1 dementional slow and overrated,tell em!!! An inactive 36 year old Winky is better than Sturm and any other paper champ at 160? Are you serious?

Hard to say who wins all I know is I wanna see it! I don't wanna see Pav vs Mora or vs any other bum. Pav vs P-Will or Abraham that's what I wanna see.

williams has a solid chin, kelly might land sometime during the bout but i dont think he'll connect clean too often and imo a kelly KO is not likely. kelly has a good right hand and that punch is the key when fighting a southpaw, hes also very active. the main obstacle for williams are kellys dimensions, kelly himself is a tall guy with a good reach, on fight night he will outweigh williams. the height,reach and weight are all obstacles that williams hasn't ever had to deal with before. but i give this fight to williams kelly is active but williams is just as if not more active than kelly. kelly might have a good right hand but he can't set it up very well. if williams use his skills and creates angles i see him taking this fight by wiiiide UD.

Yeah, he went from a future ATG who was going to steamroll Calzaghe to a bum who gets beat by just about anyone now in the course of one fight. Williams is there to be hit and Pavlik has excellent punching power. Williams would have to be on his toes and show more versatility than he ever has. When people pick you to lose against the ATG Contender Sergio Mora I think it is time to hang them up.

Did people not see what happened to Pavlik when you show him angles and versatility? I think Pavlik was overrated before the loss to Hopkins and he's even more overrated now. Think about it. The best guy Pavlik has beat is Jermaine Taylor. What happened to Jermaine when he went on to fight Carl Froch? I also don't think Paul Williams would lose to Jermaine Taylor either. When you barely scrape by Cory Spinks, you are not elite. Williams would be the most durable opponent that Pavlik has ever fought. Now as far as Abraham goes, I don't really have a high opinion of him either. I know he blasted out Miranda in devastating fashion in their second fight, but that initial encounter still sticks in my head. He also didn't look too impressive in his last fight against a lightly regarded opponent. I think Williams would take him as well. The only things Pavlik and Abraham have going for them to me, is punching power. I don't have a high opinion of their boxing skills. Big guy ur on point with what u said,u shoulda just put it like so for all those who don't understand,Winky beats Pavlik and Abraham and Sturm any any other paper champ at 160,the Punisher just beat him badly!!!Winky is a better fighter than anyone of those 160 champs and an elite fighter,the Punisher has the tools to fustrate Pavlik and make him look like what he is 1 dementional slow and overrated,tell em!!!

Kelly isn't even close to being overrated on these boards, it is the complete opposite. Yeah, he went from a future ATG who was going to steamroll Calzaghe to a bum who gets beat by just about anyone now in the course of one fight. Williams is there to be hit and Pavlik has excellent punching power. Williams would have to be on his toes and show more versatility than he ever has.

Paul Williams will show him three angles then start to brawl. If Williams boxes he would win an easy UD, no questions. The fact that you don't think Jermain Taylor is elite says it all IMO. Williams chin hasn't been tested at the higher weights so there is a big question mark regarding that. Paul is no defensive wizard like Bhop and doesn't have half the boxing brain. Kelly isn't even close to being overrated on these boards, it is the complete opposite. He is there to be hit with true Middleweight power and Williams will be touched many times in their bout. I might be going a little overboard by saying Pavlik has always been and still is overrated, but in my opinion, he needs to stop living off that win over Jermaine Taylor and beat a meaningful opponent. It's getting on my nerves that all Arum wants to match him up with is tomato cans. With Williams calling people out like Sergio Martinez and Shane Mosley tells you that he has a promoter that doesn't lack confidence in him. I don't think Taylor is a bad fighter, but it's been shown that if you can weather his early storm he is very vulnerable. I also don't buy the excuse that just because Williiams may have turned down a fight with Pavlik once means he wouldn't negotiate to fight him again. Arum views the guy as the boogey man by saying things like, "I'd appreciate it if you'd never contact me in regards with anything to do with Paul Williams again."

Did people not see what happened to Pavlik when you show him angles and versatility? I think Pavlik was overrated before the loss to Hopkins and he's even more overrated now. Think about it. The best guy Pavlik has beat is Jermaine Taylor. What happened to Jermaine when he went on to fight Carl Froch? I also don't think Paul Williams would lose to Jermaine Taylor either. When you barely scrape by Cory Spinks, you are not elite. Williams would be the most durable opponent that Pavlik has ever fought. Now as far as Abraham goes, I don't really have a high opinion of him either. I know he blasted out Miranda in devastating fashion in their second fight, but that initial encounter still sticks in my head. He also didn't look too impressive in his last fight against a lightly regarded opponent. I think Williams would take him as well. The only things Pavlik and Abraham have going for them to me, is punching power. I don't have a high opinion of their boxing skills. Paul Williams will show him three angles then start to brawl. If Williams boxes he would win an easy UD, no questions. The fact that you don't think Jermain Taylor is elite says it all IMO. Williams chin hasn't been tested at the higher weights so there is a big question mark regarding that. Paul is no defensive wizard like Bhop and doesn't have half the boxing brain. Kelly isn't even close to being overrated on these boards, it is the complete opposite. He is there to be hit with true Middleweight power and Williams will be touched many times in their bout.

Did people not see what happened to Pavlik when you show him angles and versatility? I think Pavlik was overrated before the loss to Hopkins and he's even more overrated now. Think about it. The best guy Pavlik has beat is Jermaine Taylor. What happened to Jermaine when he went on to fight Carl Froch? I also don't think Paul Williams would lose to Jermaine Taylor either. When you barely scrape by Cory Spinks, you are not elite. Williams would be the most durable opponent that Pavlik has ever fought. Now as far as Abraham goes, I don't really have a high opinion of him either. I know he blasted out Miranda in devastating fashion in their second fight, but that initial encounter still sticks in my head. He also didn't look too impressive in his last fight against a lightly regarded opponent. I think Williams would take him as well. The only things Pavlik and Abraham have going for them to me, is punching power. I don't have a high opinion of their boxing skills.

This is one the biggest fights I want to see. I would take Paul Williams over pretty much anybody to be honest. I really dont know how Quintana got a win over the punisher, must have been a really off night for Paul, but comes back in the rematch with a 1st round KO.

Pavlik by KO Paul W is a pussy he needs to move up and fight guys his own size and stop calling on smaller guys like Mosley.

What? Most of you are picking williams? But doesn't williams tend to stay in the pocket more than he should and brawl. I mean he's never brawled with an actual puncher, or someone who can deal back the same workrate. If paul just uses his reach advantage and circles pavlik, then yes i agree with alot of you in a clear UD. But I'm not too convinced that Pwill wouldn't slug it out eventually, and get caught with a big right hand or two. I'm picking power over technical skill, Kelly by 10th round KO. 100% agree, paul stay's in the pocket to much. pavlik's got this shit locked down, Pavlik by Ko

this would be the first time that P.will fought someone his own size. i would like to see how he would hold up against a true middleweights power. i think Pavlik by KO

Paul Williams is getting knocked the hell out if he ever steps through the ropes against Pavlik or Arthur Abraham. The hardest puncher he has faced so far is Margarito. I have no reason to believe that a guy coming up from 147, can take the crushing power shots from either one of those Middleweights.

What? Most of you are picking williams? But doesn't williams tend to stay in the pocket more than he should and brawl. I mean he's never brawled with an actual puncher, or someone who can deal back the same workrate. If paul just uses his reach advantage and circles pavlik, then yes i agree with alot of you in a clear UD. But I'm not too convinced that Pwill wouldn't slug it out eventually, and get caught with a big right hand or two. I'm picking power over technical skill, Kelly by 10th round KO. I agree with most of that. Im just not sure how PW would handle a KP punch to the body or even just a STIFF right cross. I want him to fill in his body more at 154 before he takes a stab at the bigger punchers like AA or KP. The Wright victory was good but I think Winky is more of a JMW than a MW. Maybe sometime around next summer or fall he'll be a little more ready for that type of physicality.

Pavlik by KO/TKO. This ain't ****in Andy Kolle people.

pavlik ko,his power at MW would be telling