These are the REASONS why FLOYD is fighting JMM now and not Pac.

i think floyd/jmm is a good set up fight for floyd/pac, BUT I thought it was gonna be at at most 144 lbs. now its a mismatch. jmm will get pwned.

Good Post. Just want to drive home the Core Reason. Floyd accepted the fight with JMM as a way to trap Pac. Pac brings Floyd the Biggest/Lucrative Fight. by taking JMM out of the equation, it forces Pacs hand. If Floyd would not have signed with JMM (the day of the hatton/Pac), then Pac/Jmm 3 would already be in discussion. Floyd is Playing Chess, while the not so aware are watching checkers.. :lol1: Glad someone else sees it. :fing02: :beerchug:

Why would he be fighting JMM instead of Pac right now? JMM called Floyd out and JMM and Floyd are ready to fight NOW. So instead of waiting until the end of the year to fight Pac (which is when Pac is scheduled to fight next), Floyd can get in 1 fight now. Floyd can fight JMM and Pac this year. Pac beat Oscar and Hatton in a more dramatic fashion that Floyd and seemed to get a lot more credit than Floyd despite certain factors that favored Pac and not Floyd, for example: Floyd had to move up and face a healthy Oscar at 154 and wear 10oz gloves. Floyd then faced an undefeated Hatton...with 10oz gloves. But, it was Pac that knocked out both Oscar and Hatton and in a killer way. So, this will be used by Arum at the negotiation table. And the media will keep bringing it up. So how does Floyd respond? By going after the Man that some say beat Pac and was never knocked out...JMM, who is also the #2 P4P fighter. Pac slapped Floyd twice and Floyd wants to slap Pac back with a Bitch-slap back by knocking out JMM, something Pac hasn't done. If Floyd just schools him that will be a success. Schooling JMM and knocking him out will be the complete package. I noticed Arum, Roach, and Pac weren't too happy that Floyd was fighting JMM. I wonder why? So, a victory over JMM will help Floyd trash talk against Team Pacquiao and should help him in negotiations by saying look whose scalp I have. And it will help lure Pac into a fight with Floyd. Without JMM, Floyd has fewer chips in his hands and it also leaves Pac the option to fight JMM next instead of him {Floyd} Good Post. Just want to drive home the Core Reason. Floyd accepted the fight with JMM as a way to trap Pac. Pac brings Floyd the Biggest/Lucrative Fight. by taking JMM out of the equation, it forces Pacs hand. If Floyd would not have signed with JMM (the day of the hatton/Pac), then Pac/Jmm 3 would already be in discussion. Floyd is Playing Chess, while the not so aware are watching checkers..

seriously RJ, im a fight fan that comments based on merit and regardless of the arguments you're trying to portray, whether factual or not, the total fights that JMM has had at 140, 143, or 147 is zero bro....zero...a 36 year old boxer with NO experience fighting above 135...a career-long featherweight...really... He'll be fighting Floyd at 144; not Shane and Cotto at 147, who blow up in weight come fight-night. JMM was already moving up to 140 to get to Pac. Considering that Floyd hasn't fought over 159 by fight-night when he was an active WW, how much difference is it than other JrWW fighting at Floyd's fight-night weight? Or Pac showing up at 147 against Diaz? Or are you saying that Floyd has the advantage to understand how to deal with bigger, stronger guys? Which is true. But there is a slight advantage in Floyd's favor with size. However, there is an advantage with JMM with staying active which is big in boxing. Even Freddie Roach said: A busy fighter is a good fighter.

QUOTE=pacman777;5330227]most of the top ww, mosley/ cotto/ margarito/ williams have been calling out floyd (the self proclaimed true ww champion), ignores them saying they are not prize fighters or cannot draw audience which is total bs. there is no way jmm is a bigger draw than any of the top ww metioned. why comeback and fight a lw when you have legitimate competion in the ww division? he's picking on the little dudes, you and i know it And that would mean Shane {steroids}, Cotto, and Margarito {plaster}, all who weigh 10+ pounds over the 147 pound limit are picking on small Floyd as well. Floyd wants Pac for what Pac just did to his last two opponents. To get to Pac he needs JMM. JMM would never have been mentioned if Pac didn't fight Hatton and Oscar. Hell, I'm not even sure if Floyd would have came back. So people can thank Pac for that. it was style and skill of manny, oscar was the same. the guy threw more punches than manny in the first 3 rounds, he tried but he knew he coulnd't do anything about manny. give credit to where its due hatton was undefeated, but what makes you think that he did not improve after the loss? he was with sr. and said that he was in his best condition more than ever before the fight, the outcome was all manny. again, give credit where its due Oscar was dead. Hatton didn't improve after the loss. I discussed this before. However, I don't think it would have mattered that much more given Hatton's style and Pac's style. well, if he knocks out marquez then i can excuses too right? but i wont, i'm not you. i give full credit to pac's win over hatton/odlh, i give pbf full credit as well for those wins What excuses? JMM was smaller? If you want to use that as a reason, you can. But he isn't that much smaller and great fighters are great fighters. In that case, the size difference wouldn't be that much. If it was Floyd vs. Jones Jr; great fighter vs. great fighter; yeah, that would be a mismatch. That's why they can move up in weight and win. Look at what JMM just did when he fought at LW. Even Freddie said JMM got more powerful. That's what happens when you start to fill out and fight in a weight-class you don't have to diet down to much. If we had same day weigh-ins, things would change and fighters would be fighting in their real weight-classes...which means Pac and Floyd would be in the same weight-class and JMM would be one below them unless he decided to move up by eating a little more and filling out himself (which he is doing). Unlike Pac who some how has been out-growing divisions in quick fashion, Floyd purposefully moved up to get to Oscar. He wasn't forced out because his body was growing. The only divison he was forced out of was 130 anyway, wouldn't look past marquez if i were you, if he can carry the weight successful, i think he will pull an upset JMM is a Great fighter; anything is possible. Lots of factors are on his side to pull out the upset.

not about floyd EJ....JR's post went way over your head and has you over analyzing...not about floyd at all rather his opponent....no matter how hard you try to filibuster the argument, fact remains that JMM is a lightweight a lightweight who had every intent on moving up no matter what. a lightweight who wanted to step up to fight floyd at a higher weight. i dont care if hes a lightweight if hes showing up far beyond the 135lb limit on fight night, by doing that he shows hes more than capable fighting comfortable at 144 against a guy who wont weight much more than that on fight night. His argument is that JMM hasnt been tested above 135, id buy if it was against a guy who would be 10 lbs more than him on fight night, but he wont be and marquez wont weight much more than a few lbs less than flight maybe 3 or 4, MAYBE. if its was ONLY about Jmm hed have never mentioned floyd or his weight or his size in the first place, nor would he bridge it and make it about how pac fought him so fair and sqaure

CO sigN!!!!!! If he wanted a tune, WWs are available. If he is back, because JMM called him out, well, Mosley, Margarito called him out. Cotto expressed interest, and ect,ect,ect. If he is back for the money, Pacquiao is the one. FLoyd is a bitch for fighting JMM at 147, period!!!!!!!!!!! Floyd, when he was active at WW, was 146-149pounds. Pac is 147+ pounds. Hatton is over 147 pounds. Many JrWW are 147+. Castillo when he fought Floyd was 147 pounds. Cotto is over 147 pounds. Shane is over 147 pounds. Clottey is over 147 pounds. Have same day weigh-ins and the truth will reveal itself. JMM is 140+ JMM went chasing after Pac. If they fought again at 135, when Pac fought Diaz, JMM would be facing off against a 147 pound fighter by fight-night. JMM moved up to 140 to continue his chase against Pac. If he got that fight, again, he would be facing a 147 pound fighter by fight-night. Whoever else he faces at 140/JrWW, usually comes in at 147+ by fight-night.

Why would he be fighting JMM instead of Pac right now? JMM called Floyd out and JMM and Floyd are ready to fight NOW. So instead of waiting until the end of the year to fight Pac (which is when Pac is scheduled to fight next), Floyd can get in 1 fight now. Floyd can fight JMM and Pac this year. Pac beat Oscar and Hatton in a more dramatic fashion that Floyd and seemed to get a lot more credit than Floyd despite certain factors that favored Pac and not Floyd, for example: Floyd had to move up and face a healthy Oscar at 154 and wear 10oz gloves. Floyd then faced an undefeated Hatton...with 10oz gloves. But, it was Pac that knocked out both Oscar and Hatton and in a killer way. So, this will be used by Arum at the negotiation table. And the media will keep bringing it up. So how does Floyd respond? By going after the Man that some say beat Pac and was never knocked out...JMM, who is also the #2 P4P fighter. Pac slapped Floyd twice and Floyd wants to slap Pac back with a Bitch-slap back by knocking out JMM, something Pac hasn't done. If Floyd just schools him that will be a success. Schooling JMM and knocking him out will be the complete package. I noticed Arum, Roach, and Pac weren't too happy that Floyd was fighting JMM. I wonder why? So, a victory over JMM will help Floyd trash talk against Team Pacquiao and should help him in negotiations by saying look whose scalp I have. And it will help lure Pac into a fight with Floyd. Without JMM, Floyd has fewer chips in his hands and it also leaves Pac the option to fight JMM next instead of him {Floyd} I agree 100% with this :fing02:

dont get your hopes up... if jmm can deal with the size disparity and be comfortable at the weight, i give them 50/50 "marquez p4p is the greatest fighter floyd is fighting to date" mangler I've never discounted JMM chances. I've actually talked about why the fight would be tougher than people are trying to lead you to believe. It's the same with size: "Floyd is to big." No he isn't. JMM gave Pac hell; and if he can give Pac hell than he can give a lot of skilled fighters hell. He should actually. If Floyd beats him decisively and by KO, that says something in Floyd's favor...which is the point to why Floyd took the fight and why Arum, Roach, and Pac don't like the thought of Floyd facing JMM. For the KO: JMM hasn't been knocked out yet; that might be on Floyd's mind. JMM has been down, but when he goes down, he gets back up even tougher. Just look at the first fight against Manny. How does a fighter go down 3x and then get up and school the guy who just did that to you? That's JMM. The only people down-playing the JMM fight are those that want to discredit Floyd and fear JMM may lose decisively; something Pac hasn't been able to do.

el jesus, jose rizal just check hook'd you So i lost an argument to a guy who thinks floyd drains between weigh in and fight night?

i see your point...they're valid...the issues lie with floyd's fans that can't see past the smoke and mirrors... floyd says he doesn't need a tuneup, they believe it floyd says he's the draw, they believe it what you and i both believe, he needs a tuneup and he needs more bargaining leverage when it comes to fighting PAC Agree... Many factors to this game he plays.

I disagree, although many people believe JMM beat Pac at the end of the day Pac has the win. If Mayweather tried to negotiate saying he beat the man Pac couldnt beat Arum would just say yes he did... because as much as some people hate to admit it Pac has the win on his record. Then Arum, Roach, and Pac wouldn't look so pissed about Floyd fighting JMM. JMM is the One guy people look to for who gave Pac the most trouble. Floyd will try to make beating JMM look easy.

A big LOL how you can't seem to understand the simple concept of weight divisions. Is that so? Even before the rematch was being proposed, Pac already announced his intentions to move up to135 because he was becoming too weak trying to make 130. He only agreed to one last fight at 130 when JMM suddenly showed some interest after 4 years. Looking at the weight gain of 16 lbs., it was clear Pac had already outgrown super feather at that time. JMM didint "suddenly" show interest, he was always interested, but he wanted the right money. Looking at the weight gain of 16 lbs, he was clearly taking advantage of the fact that he could make 130 one last time and come in 1lbs shy of fukking welterweight. I dont have a problem with it really, but im not going to sit there and pretend like pac is this small, undersized superfeather, rehydrating 16 lbs, its clear he isnt. Floyd is sitting pretty at 147. He doesn't have to drain back down to 130 like Pac and JMM did for their 2nd fight. They fought each other as legit super featherweights for the mere fact the made the effort to make 130 and have been fighting in the same division for a while. It didn't matter if Pac was close to Floyd's current fighting weight on fight night. Floyd didn't have to drain to 130 like Pac and JMM did. Floyd doesnt drain because hes one of the few fighters in the modern era (30 years) that doesnt try to take advantage of the system. He fights where he fights and actually take care of himself by fighting and moving up in a systematic fashion that keeps him healthy. If these guys actually fought at the classes they belonged in, instead of drying out to try to get a upper hand in a smaller division, they wouldnt have to dry out. Floyd hardly ever comes in over 1 or 2 lbs above the division hes in. I dont see how this is even a point. Floyd has already grown into 147 and he's already proven that he's strong enough to fight OTHER LEGIT WELTERS in his division of choice while not having to bloat up above 150. Despite this, he is a legit welter, whether he and his fans deny it or not, and he doesn't have to drain too much to make the contractual weight on July 18. Pac is also a legit welter by that standard having had a fight AT welterweight and winning in complete fashion, all the while challanging other welters to play the drain game with him at these 144/145/142 catchweights. Floyd DOES NOT DRAIN. He stays in shape and fights at the weight he desires. Other "legit" welters dont do this, guys like clottey drain to 147 and come in at 170, cotto drains to 147 and comes in at 158/160 etc. You might say JMM doesn't have to drain at 147 either, but the point was that Pac fought him on even terms, as a super featherweight, whereas JMM hasn't even fought a 140-pounder before, let alone a top welter like Floyd. He's basically inexperienced as far as fighting opponents above 135. That seems to be the reality you guys can't accept. What does it matter if hes had a fight over 135 or not when the agreed to terms are officially 144, 4 lbs above the weight he planned on chasing pac anyway regardless. The thing is, Floyd and JMM arent going to play games on the scales, they are going to come in at the weight they both feel comfortable at. K-Nan already pointed out what me and several others have pointed out the last couple of weeks. Marquez will likely come in fight night at 145/146 and floyd likely around 146/147. Marquez also came in at 141 against diaz. so essentially, hes moving up to face a guy who started his career at 130, and who comes in at 147 on fight night, and marquez himself will be around the same weight. The point is marquez was going to move up and chase pac to 140, fighting floyd at and considering marquez KNEW hed be risking having to come in past lightweight to get a fight with floyd, am i supposed to having faux outrage over a 2 or 3 lb difference on fight night? Marquez was going to move up NO MATTER WHAT. Floyd or not, marquez is definately fighting floyd on even terms because even if this fight was at 140, marquez would still come in at 144/145 while mayweather would come in at the same, 146/147 he always comes in as. The difference in this fight is nobody is going to play "who will have to work the hardest to lose weight and put it back on" If pac was fighting marquez on "even terms" hed never outweigh him on fight night. Putting on 16 damn lbs the next day isnt even at all. So yeah... it's fukin hilarious that some people are actually thinking Floyd one-ups Pac for possibly dominating or even stopping a NOOB WELTER. He does. In the same way everyone feels pac had on upped floyd by fighting his leftovers. Thats how it works, its a "what have you done for me lately sport". Again, even if this fight was at 130 back in 1999, floyd would still be seen as the bigger guy, even though marquez started at 126. 4lb difference in where they began as fighters. 4 lbs. Floyd moved up, your right, but marquez also had plans to move up. they arent that far apart. Having a fight above 135 doesnt mean much if NEITHER floyd nor marquez needs to dry out and then stick on 15 lbs, they are what, one inch apart, and will be just a couple lbs difference between each other. You can believe whatever you want, yes, floyd is the bigger guy, but not by much and hell be no bigger than pac when pac showed up to fight DLH and Hatton.

yea, thats so hilarious! especially when pac shows up at fight time at 147 lbs, which is EXACTLY what floyd will show up as, not to mention, the fight has OFFICIALLY been agreed to be 144, OMG, thats so fukkin funny when pac signs for a fight at 130 and shows up at 147! isnt that fukkin hilarious now that floyd may actually do the same! fukkin LOL MAN.!!! A big LOL how you can't seem to understand the simple concept of weight divisions. :D Just to try to be more factual, Pac was actually145 coming into the ring, not 147. Marquez was 141. Pac made it officially at 129. That means he rehydrated 16 lbs back up since the weigh-in. JMM added 11 from 130. Even before the rematch was being proposed, Pac already announced his intentions to move up to135 because he was becoming too weak trying to make 130. He only agreed to one last fight at 130 when JMM suddenly showed some interest after 4 years. Looking at the weight gain of 16 lbs., it was clear Pac had already outgrown super feather at that time. Floyd is sitting pretty at 147. He doesn't have to drain back down to 130 like Pac and JMM did for their 2nd fight. They fought each other as legit super featherweights for the mere fact the made the effort to make 130 and have been fighting in the same division for a while. It didn't matter if Pac was close to Floyd's current fighting weight on fight night. Floyd didn't have to drain to 130 like Pac and JMM did. Floyd has already grown into 147 and he's already proven that he's strong enough to fight OTHER LEGIT WELTERS in his division of choice while not having to bloat up above 150. Despite this, he is a legit welter, whether he and his fans deny it or not, and he doesn't have to drain too much to make the contractual weight on July 18. You might say JMM doesn't have to drain at 147 either, but the point was that Pac fought him on even terms, as a super featherweight, whereas JMM hasn't even fought a 140-pounder before, let alone a top welter like Floyd. He's basically inexperienced as far as fighting opponents above 135. That seems to be the reality you guys can't accept. So yeah... it's fukin hilarious that some people are actually thinking Floyd one-ups Pac for possibly dominating or even stopping a NOOB WELTER.

At WELTERWEIGHT? And with JMM's previous outing at lightweight? LOL... yea, thats so hilarious! especially when pac shows up at fight time at 147 lbs, which is EXACTLY what floyd will show up as, not to mention, the fight has OFFICIALLY been agreed to be 144, OMG, thats so fukkin funny when pac signs for a fight at 130 and shows up at 147! isnt that fukkin hilarious now that floyd may actually do the same! fukkin LOL MAN.!!!

He knocked him down 3 times only for marquez to come back and make the fight a draw, honestly, thats nothing to write home about. Fact is, marquez has suffered 4 knockdowns from pac, but hes also won far more rounds against him. If mayweather schools him and knocks him out, something pac could never do, that means something weather you like it or not, thats bennys point At WELTERWEIGHT? And with JMM's previous outing at lightweight? LOL...

thats a quick way too escape WW. and focus on money and easy fights. pac is lb 4 lb #1. PBF now's back he prefer himself the the king he cant accept pac be the #1. now he will take out a much smaller jmm, where pac have some difficulties with. but the problem is when pac is going up weights. pac is evolving. pac is very different in every weight class. do you see jmm vs diaz, jmm got good beating by diaz and when the ends comes he got good punches makes diaz fades. jmm is getting older by a year and he got a very very difficult each fight he got. PBF is speedy in his lower weights. but when he's going up he's not that the same 130 pounder before but he maintain his timing, accuracy and develop good defense but not that speedy.

CO sigN!!!!!! If he wanted a tune, WWs are available. If he is back, because JMM called him out, well, Mosley, Margarito called him out. Cotto expressed interest, and ect,ect,ect. If he is back for the money, Pacquiao is the one. FLoyd is a bitch for fighting JMM at 147, period!!!!!!!!!!! Co-sign! People want him to fight a legit WWs not those midgets who moving up that he has all the every possible advantages.:bounce:

I agree, even in a hundred years from now, Pac will always have that draw and win against JMM. People will always check all sources and find these people to be delusional. in 2013 whitaker will still have that draw with julio cesar chavez. Hagler will always have that dubious loss to leonard. hopkins will always have those losses to taylor. and robinson will always have that loss to joey maxim, but we all know what happened. i dont know how long you have been following the sport, but that is NOT how it works. this is a sport where people care about the past. ALOT.

He knocked him down 3 times only for marquez to come back and make the fight a draw, honestly, thats nothing to write home about. Fact is, marquez has suffered 4 knockdowns from pac, but hes also won far more rounds against him. If mayweather schools him and knocks him out, something pac could never do, that means something weather you like it or not, thats bennys point I get his point I just disagree with it, I think this fight is just a tune up to hype mayweather back up because most of the sports world that doesnt follow boxing has probably forgot about him about now so he just gaining attention back with the 24/7, and picked a top p4p fighter that he should be able to beat handedly and look good against to lay the foundation for a mega fight. The fact that it is JMM is an added i dont think it was a direct attack on pacqiuao. If on the Pac - Hatton fight Hatton had won Floyd would still be fighting JMM.