If JMM v PAC 1 never happens??

then marquez would have never hit the canvass three times in the first round. :lol1:

Pacquiao's career would still have likely flourished based on his victory over Barrera but I think that Pacquiao slowly became a better fighter after the fights with Marquez and Morales. Marquez would have probably not been as big as he is right now. The fight with Pacquiao showed us how tough and technically gifted Juan Manuel Marquez is.

People might as well take Pac's wins over Marquez out of his resume anyways since no one thinks Pac beat Marquez. So if we did take both fights out of Pacs resume, Pacquiao still becomes P4P while Marquez is making his name fighting a washed up Barrera. I doubt Marquez moves up to LW sooner then he did since the only reason he moved up to LW was to get that 3rd fight with Pac. Not saying Marquez nevers moves up to LW but for sure he doesnt do it sooner then he has. Marquez should thank Pac for giving him recognition in their close fights and also letting Marquez chase him up to LW. Without Pac, Marquez would still be at SFW fighting guys like Soto, maybe John, Guererro. Also without Pacquiao NO WAY MARQUEZ CONSIDERS A MAYWEATHER FIGHT. Thats for damn sure. same thing could be said about pac, he should thank barrera and morales. barrera and morales had already made a name for themselves and some of their stardom rubbed off on pac. it was the three mexican legends that allowed him to be where he is right now. he would have never been involved in 2 megafights these past few months. it goes both ways that its dumb when pac fans bring up the issue "where would jmm be with out pac"

I'm just glad that I had the chance to watch 2 great elite fighters(Manny & Juan) in their prime of their career. I've watched all the greats (Ali, SRL, Mr. Duran and others) only on tapes. I don't think Manny or JMM would been this great or got the fame without fighting each other. Hopefully the 3rd fight would happen before JMM retires, remember JMM is 35yo.

If that fight didn't happen Pac wouldve taken longer to improve in his technical deficiencies....and would've probably lost to Morales even more decisively.

ahaha! any anti pac post or mexican post over here???

losing to pac is jmm's greatest acheivement. losing/close fights either one. Pac helped boost Marquezs career. Pac without Marquez would of still been P4P 1 cause no one really gives Pac those that win anyways.

People might as well take Pac's wins over Marquez out of his resume anyways since no one thinks Pac beat Marquez. So if we did take both fights out of Pacs resume, Pacquiao still becomes P4P while Marquez is making his name fighting a washed up Barrera. I doubt Marquez moves up to LW sooner then he did since the only reason he moved up to LW was to get that 3rd fight with Pac. Not saying Marquez nevers moves up to LW but for sure he doesnt do it sooner then he has. Marquez should thank Pac for giving him recognition in their close fights and also letting Marquez chase him up to LW. Without Pac, Marquez would still be at SFW fighting guys like Soto, maybe John, Guererro. Also without Pacquiao NO WAY MARQUEZ CONSIDERS A MAYWEATHER FIGHT. Thats for damn sure.

losing to pac is jmm's greatest acheivement.

bumper when manny shines. jmm shines too. its like a mirror. hope that the 3rd match will materialize between jmm and pac eventhough jmm will lose to pbf.

if this fight never happens is jmm will be well known today and/or pac?? or they never meet. instead of pac who else will put jmm to shadow stardom? can jmm put his name to lb 4 lb status beating Derrick Gainer, Marcos Licona, Manuel Medina, Hector Javier Marquez, Robbie Peden, Orlando Salido, Victor Polo, Chris John(he lost to this guy), Terdsak Jandaeng etc and a close match with MAB, J. Diaz and Casa. will he be number 2 lb 4 lb?? pac beats 2 EM and 1 lost, 2 MAB, D. Diaz, Solis, Larios, Velasquez, ledwaba etc latest bouts are Hatton and ODLH. without Jmm can he be lb 4 lb number 1?? Nah JMM name will never be heard.