Can Pac neutralize Mayweather's reach?

Possibly, but Manny has miles more confidence than judah does. lol true however I must sadly admit I like the new Judah................who stands in there and gets pounded into unconsciousness by Cotto n Clottey He aint quit

we'll see playa... cheers... a lot of fighters have looked 'IMPROVED' until they were frustrated and then they resort to old BAD habits. I think the true question here though is WTF has PBF been up to in retirement, that will play the biggest part in a Pac match-up Has he been Judah'rin around the club circuit?

for the record...............Judah can pull the trigger faster that any1 in the WW division.......including Pacman Possibly, but Manny has miles more confidence than judah does.

for the record...............Judah can pull the trigger faster that any1 in the WW division.......including Pacman

because he usually doesnt HAVE to.............however he'd be looking to 'calm' and control PACs aggression.............he'd need the jab to throw PACs rhythm and timing off........................and that might make Manny get a lil wild and looping we'll see playa... cheers...

PBF is no jabber... he doesnt do it much... because he usually doesnt HAVE to.............however he'd be looking to 'calm' and control PACs aggression.............he'd need the jab to throw PACs rhythm and timing off........................and that might make Manny get a lil wild and looping

Bmore, you got it all wrong. Floyd doesn't clinch, he forces his shoulder into his opponent and uses his right hand to do short uppers on the inside. Hatton's style is "punch-hug" not Mayweather's. Dont confuse Hatton's failed attempts to hug with Floyd's brilliant defense. If your a technical fighter or enjoy technical fighting then you would understand. If not then, I dont blame you for not understanding. You are right that he generally does not clinch, HOWEVER he clinched in the Hatton fight to throw Hatton off. I would not be surprised to see that tactic back in the arsenal, but its possible he wont use it because Pac will not pressure that much.

Bmore, you got it all wrong. Floyd doesn't clinch, he forces his shoulder into his opponent and uses his right hand to do short uppers on the inside. Hatton's style is "punch-hug" not Mayweather's. Dont confuse Hatton's failed attempts to hug with Floyd's brilliant defense. If your a technical fighter or enjoy technical fighting then you would understand. If not then, I dont blame you for not understanding.

What Pacquaio has over the names you've mentioned is foot speed. So that would compensate There were times in the Hatton/Mayweather fight where Hatton was able to use his good foot speed to get into the pocket and land on Mayweather, but he had trouble getting out or going too far in and getting an elbow to the mouth or clinched. Also, once Mayweather got more aggressive he was landing on Hatton as he came in, even after Hatton had slipped a first punch.

One more thing about a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, Mayweather seems to have some problems with guys with stiff, hard jabs, it seems to throw him off rhythm and off balance sometimes. Pacquiao's jab has improved a lot over the years and it should only get better now with Michael Moorer in his camp, Michael Moorer had a great southpaw jab, whenever Moorer was able to get off with his jabs, he won his fights, apart from the Foreman fight, which he was winning until that knockout.

My answer is no................he will eat jabs all night, if he doesn't....he controls the tempo and prolly gets the win. PBF is no jabber... he doesnt do it much...

Mayweather has only had trouble with fighters who have near-equal or greater reach/height specs to himself. Of course, good speed and decent boxing ability is another criteria. Castillo, Corley, De La Hoya, and Judah all had pretty good reach/height. Has Pac shown an ability in the past to neutralize reach and height disadvantages? I know Morales and De La Hoya are two obvious answers, but Oscar's performance seemed to be an aberration as far as how bad it was right out of the gate, and Morales did beat an albeit greener Pac. I know that Pac has speed similar to some of those that troubled Mayweather, but he is lacking in reach and height which so far has been a necessary formula to give Mayweather trouble. Pacquiao doesn't just have similar speed, he's faster, faster than anyone Mayweather has faced. Morales is the same height and has the same reach as Mayweather. The main trouble he will give Mayweather is his workrate and speed. He will pressure Mayweather greatly and combine it with his speed and power. I don't see Mayweather having enough answers to deal with Pacquiao.

I'll just interject my opinion: I have not seen a lot of pac fights so I don't know how much evidence there is that he can neutralize reach. However, I don't think mayweather can be beaten by pac unless he lands some "lucky" punches and hurts him or Mayweather is so cowardly that Pac wins on activity. Even if Pac makes it inside, he has to be careful not to make it an inside-fight. Pac is not comfortable there and Mayweather has been allowed to use elbows and forearms numerous times in his career to create space. Pac needs to stay in the pocket and slip punches like a madman to win. He wont have time to catch and counter from a distance against Mayweather-type speed and reach advantages. Look for welterweights with greater or comparable reach to beat Mayweather.

I'd favor Mayweather but Pacquiao can win the fight, the speed, the movement, the power, the explosiveness and the improved versatility would give Mayweather a lot of trouble, especially early. The one big factor in this fight is whether Pacquiao can adapt to Mayweather when he adapts, which he will do for sure, if Pacquiao can adapt it's a 50-50 fight IMO, if he can't Mayweather would win and take over down the stretch. And the shoulder roll doesn't work as good against southpaws, the angles of the punches are different from the orthodox and southpaw stance, the southpaw stance opens up many more avenues to success than an orthodox stance would against the shoulder roll, which is partly why Mayweather changed his guard against Judah halfway through the fight. thank you sir, green k for you.:luvbed:

I always respect you opinion on any boxing fight Silencer's and am just curious who do you have in a win if Mayweather-Pacquiao gets made? I'd favor Mayweather but Pacquiao can win the fight, the speed, the movement, the power, the explosiveness and the improved versatility would give Mayweather a lot of trouble, especially early. The one big factor in this fight is whether Pacquiao can adapt to Mayweather when he adapts, which he will do for sure, if Pacquiao can adapt it's a 50-50 fight IMO, if he can't Mayweather would win and take over down the stretch. And the shoulder roll doesn't work as good against southpaws, the angles of the punches are different from the orthodox and southpaw stance, the southpaw stance opens up many more avenues to success than an orthodox stance would against the shoulder roll, which is partly why Mayweather changed his guard against Judah halfway through the fight.

My answer is no................he will eat jabs all night, if he doesn't....he controls the tempo and prolly gets the win.

It does work against Southpaws. It actually works better against south paws. Because they get left open to the right hand counter after rolling their punch. Shoulder roll is effective when you have agility, not speed. Agility is how quickly you can shift your whole body, speed is how fast something goes in a straight line. Shoulder roll is a body movement, so its based on agility and timing. Floyd's timing is unreal and his agility is second only to Whitaker. Judah was beating Floyd because Floyd was trying to be offensive. When he became defensive and started rolling punches, he pissed Judah off. Thus Judah loss the fight, 12 round decision for a reason. Pacquiao doesn't have a good defense and only moves his head on the way in, like the dempsey roll. The only way Pacquiao will neutralize Floyd's reach is if he can back out fast enough. Pacquiao does in-and-out flurries, no real defense. Thus Floyd will probably pot shot him with short hooks and uppers, maybe the jab to the body as well. If Pacquiao doesn't get hurt from the counters then dont expect to see Floyd fight "offensively" the whole fight. Good Post....

Pacquiao's awkward rhythm, in an out movement and head movement should be able to negate reach. I always respect you opinion on any boxing fight Silencer's and am just curious who do you have in a win if Mayweather-Pacquiao gets made?

Pacquiao's awkward rhythm, in an out movement and head movement should be able to negate reach.

The shoulder roll doesn't work too good against a southpaw, especially one with speed. It does work against Southpaws. It actually works better against south paws. Because they get left open to the right hand counter after rolling their punch. The shoulder roll is effective when you have a significant speed advantage. Don't any of you wonder why Mayweather decided to adopt the winky wright guard after round 4 and take the fight to Judah? Shoulder roll is effective when you have agility, not speed. Agility is how quickly you can shift your whole body, speed is how fast something goes in a straight line. Shoulder roll is a body movement, so its based on agility and timing. Floyd's timing is unreal and his agility is second only to Whitaker. Judah was beating Floyd because Floyd was trying to be offensive. When he became defensive and started rolling punches, he pissed Judah off. Thus Judah loss the fight, 12 round decision for a reason. Mayweather has only had trouble with fighters who have near-equal or greater reach/height specs to himself. Of course, good speed and decent boxing ability is another criteria. Castillo, Corley, De La Hoya, and Judah all had pretty good reach/height. Has Pac shown an ability in the past to neutralize reach and height disadvantages? I know Morales and De La Hoya are two obvious answers, but Oscar's performance seemed to be an aberration as far as how bad it was right out of the gate, and Morales did beat an albeit greener Pac. I know that Pac has speed similar to some of those that troubled Mayweather, but he is lacking in reach and height which so far has been a necessary formula to give Mayweather trouble. Pacquiao doesn't have a good defense and only moves his head on the way in, like the dempsey roll. The only way Pacquiao will neutralize Floyd's reach is if he can back out fast enough. Pacquiao does in-and-out flurries, no real defense. Thus Floyd will probably pot shot him with short hooks and uppers, maybe the jab to the body as well. If Pacquiao doesn't get hurt from the counters then dont expect to see Floyd fight "offensively" the whole fight.