Floyd Mayweather jr. v Manny Pacquiao winner - the greatest?

SG17y ago

Okay, so I know this will be a controversial issue that will be brought up innumerable times in the up-coming months (forgive me if there's even a thread on it already) In your opinion, does the winner of this monumental fight become the greater of the two by default? In other words does directly proving they are the better fighter, also mean their legacy is greater? I can see an argument being made that even if Pacquiao loses to Floyd, he still has the better resume and is thus greater. It's something I disagree with myself but, like I said, I can see it being argued. I disagree because even now after what some view as Pacquiao beating Floyd's two best wins, better than he did (though others may view it as Pacquiao feeding on Floyd's left-overs), I consider their legacies pretty even and tough to seperate; and either one of their scalps will be a heavy tipping factor on the other's resume. Wins over ATG's are hard to come by you see If weight is a large issue to you, then reply under the assumption that the fight will happen at between 140lbs and 144lbs So... Your thoughts?

Comments (15)

m00ks

lol nono and this is where it sucks for Floyd. If he wins it'll be prolly have the same effect as effect as Hagler beating Duran. Good but meh since Pac will be labelled as "too small". His legacy (although alread set) would still lie in the Welterweight division. He cleans that out and it would hae a bigger impact than beating Pacquiao.

17y ago

shameless bump

17y ago

hypothetically when and if he beats Manny then it means he had beaten the current TOP 1 & 2 P4P successively and assuming the fight is fought at 140 winning his fourth lineal title ... arguably they have accomplished the same thing .... curious if you have any thoughts on this post mate: i can totally understand the reasoning behind people maintaining that pacquiao will keep his place but something about actually being proven to be inferior in the ultimate decider: a head to head fight, and still remaining above the guy who beat you, doesn't sit right with me and it's not as if it'll be a jofre v harada situation... in mayweather v pacquiao there is no possible "underdog victory"

17y ago

Joeyzagz

Mayweather will want a rematch no matter what. If he loses: Obviously he is going to want a rematch. If he wins easily by Ud, sd,tko and the fight gets 2 million buys he will want a rematch just for the easy pay day.

17y ago

JOMS

silly of me to pass over the whole Duran comparison. Yes, that makes sense and is very plausible how about in the hypothetical situation of the day after Floyd beats Manny, will Pacquiao still be considered to have accomplished more? I think Manny's name on Floyd's resume trumps any name on Manny's, and vice versa of course hypothetically when and if he beats Manny then it means he had beaten the current TOP 1 & 2 P4P successively and assuming the fight is fought at 140 winning his fourth lineal title ... arguably they have accomplished the same thing ....

17y ago

BattlingNelson

Do you reckon there's a possibility of a rematch and maybe even a trilogy between the two? (I think if Floyd loses there will definitely be a rematch) And if so, does it give the win(s) even more sway over legacies? I hate this place. Those fucking servers makes it impossible to post on this damn forum. Reply: If the fight is great I see no reason why there shouldn't be a rematch. One can only hope that if the fight is great, that it doesn't take as long to make the rematch as it did with SRL-Hearns.

17y ago

Well Floyd as a former SFW, was Lineal champ at Welter, Manny hasn't done that. Imagine Floyd making Arthur Abraham come down to 154 as a career defining win, that's what Manny did to Oscar, made him come down all weight-drained and beat him and now that is looked at as his best win. That's pretty comfortable to do isn't it? well Floyd went up to JMW and beat Oscar at his own natural weight, to top that, that probably wasn't even Floyd's biggest win, just his biggest pay check. I'm not saying Manny Pacquiao needs to go up to 154 and beat the number 1 guy there like Floyd did, at least beat the @1 WW like Floyd did, then he can be compared to floyd. i don't know about that. the best win on pacquiao's resume is barrera, not de la hoya and beating floyd would prove everything beating a cotto or mosley would, and more

17y ago

Pac has already proven himself as greater imo. If they fight at jr WW, then it's very big and Mr boat buyer should get cred for a win. Would that put him back over Pac as gr8er overall? Maybe slightly. i can totally understand the reasoning behind people maintaining that pacquiao will keep his place but something about actually being proven to be inferior in the ultimate decider: a head to head fight, and still remaining above the guy who beat you, doesn't sit right with me and it's not as if it'll be a jofre v harada situation... in mayweather v pacquiao there is no possible "underdog victory"

17y ago

MANGLER

17y ago

this could go the SRL, Hearns, Hagler and Duran route... all three have wins over roberto, and could claim they were better skilled but duran trumps them ATG... silly of me to pass over the whole Duran comparison. Yes, that makes sense and is very plausible as of now PAC has accomplished more than PBF and now that he is back its in Floyds hands to upend Manny... how about in the hypothetical situation of the day after Floyd beats Manny, will Pacquiao still be considered to have accomplished more? I think Manny's name on Floyd's resume trumps any name on Manny's, and vice versa of course

17y ago

koboy

If Floyd has the WW lineal title by the time they fight and Manny beats him and gets an unprecedented 7th world title and 5th lineal, I would consider him the best ever. If not, Manny has to beat Floyd and then take Shane's title and then he would be considered, in my opinion, the GOAT, considering he came from 106, that's just hard to argue with. If Manny just beats Floyd, maybe in the top 5 - 10. Floyd beating Manny doesn't make him the best ever. Floyd beating Manny, then PWill might. Manny and Pwill are the only two I consider true P4P material at this time, considering they fight all over different divisions at will.

17y ago

JOMS

this could go the SRL, Hearns, Hagler and Duran route... all three have wins over roberto, and could claim they were better skilled but duran trumps them ATG... as of now PAC has accomplished more than PBF and now that he is back its in Floyds hands to upend Manny...

17y ago

Do you reckon there's a possibility of a rematch and maybe even a trilogy between the two? (I think if Floyd loses there will definitely be a rematch) And if so, does it give the win(s) even more sway over legacies? Because I'm just wondering, if their careers will be tied up (assuming this fight happens before Cotto gets involved in the mix) till the end I think it could go: 1. Pacman v Floyd 2. Pacman v Floyd II 3a.? Pacman v Floyd III 3b. i. Floyd v Mosley OR Pacman v Marquez III ii. v Cotto 4a.? v end. I mean, if it happens something like this, do you think it's really possible for the loser to redeem themselves to the extent that they will overtake the winner? (sorry for the over-complex way of putting it, I should have just drawn a chart on MS Paint :| )

17y ago

If the fight happens at 140-144 then you're right that it will be a heavy factor when you ultimately have to judge their legacies. The result of the fight will not necessarily however create the pecking order as both men still should and could fight other excellent fighters. Do you reckon there's a possibility of a rematch and maybe even a trilogy between the two? (I think if Floyd loses there will definitely be a rematch) And if so, does it give the win(s) even more sway over legacies?

17y ago

BattlingNelson

17y ago