Would you consider this a great champion?

Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez Genaro Hernandez won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights 2 time world champion Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th. Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez. Beats Castillo for Lightweight title won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67 rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13 defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time) Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title. won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49 rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27 Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles. won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56 Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles. won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62 rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97 Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title. One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho). won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67 Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title. won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46 rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57 All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws That is a great fucking champion. good... so finally you answered your own question. plus you earned points from us replying to your thread.

I dont deal with could have,would have, should have. In 2006 The top 2 man in the welterweight division were zab judah and carlos baldomir. and Floyd Mayweather beat them both. before Miguel Cotto even came to the welterweight division. In 2006 Miguel Cotto was fighting Ricardo Torres at 140 Gianluca Branco at 140 Paul Malignaggi at 140 Carlos Quintana at 147 first fight. So When do you think Mayweather vs. Cotto should have happen? 2007 Mayweather fought de la hoya in the biggest selling fight and boxing history and then Mayweather fought and destroyed Undefeated Ricky Hatton and highest grossing non-heavyweight fight not involving de la hoya. 2006 : Cotto fighting at Jr. WW while Floyd was fighting Welterweights 2007: Floyd was Fighting Jr. Middleweights and making history. and defeating another top undefeated fighter. i'm not one of those that hate on floyd for taking money fights with ricky and oscar. he's a pro. pros get paid. it would have been nice if he fought marg or cotto after he had gotten paid. but he didn't. he retired. now he's coming back from retirement.

Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez Genaro Hernandez won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights 2 time world champion Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th. Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez. Beats Castillo for Lightweight title won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67 rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13 defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time) Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title. won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49 rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27 Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles. won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56 Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles. won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62 rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97 Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title. One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho). won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67 Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title. won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46 rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57 All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws That is a great fucking champion. Standing Ovation............. not to mention Gerno never lost at 130 before he fought Floyd.

In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed. Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez Genaro Hernandez won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights 2 time world champion Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th. Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez. Beats Castillo for Lightweight title won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67 rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13 defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time) Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title. won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49 rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27 Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles. won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56 Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles. won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62 rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97 Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title. One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho). won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45 rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67 Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title. won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46 rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57 All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws That is a great fucking champion.

me as a fan don't really care if cotto fights for vacant belts or if he has ever gotten a lineal belt. 1. miguel cotto defended those vacant belts against some of the best in the division. 2. mayweather got the lineal title at 147 from carlos baldomir. do you honestly think cotto wouldn't have beaten carlos baldomir if given the chance? I dont deal with could have,would have, should have. In 2006 The top 2 man in the welterweight division were zab judah and carlos baldomir. and Floyd Mayweather beat them both. before Miguel Cotto even came to the welterweight division. In 2006 Miguel Cotto was fighting Ricardo Torres at 140 Gianluca Branco at 140 Paul Malignaggi at 140 Carlos Quintana at 147 first fight. So When do you think Mayweather vs. Cotto should have happen? 2007 Mayweather fought de la hoya in the biggest selling fight and boxing history and then Mayweather fought and destroyed Undefeated Ricky Hatton and highest grossing non-heavyweight fight not involving de la hoya. 2006 : Cotto fighting at Jr. WW while Floyd was fighting Welterweights 2007: Floyd was Fighting Jr. Middleweights and making history. and defeating another top undefeated fighter.

He beat gatti, baldomir, JLC, Judah, and old de la hoya. But then again at the time he fought them any average fighter could have beaten them.especially the four first metioned. but then again... a win is a win... it's not Floyd Jr's fault that his opponent didn't had what it takes to defeat him, but for Floyd Jr to say that he's the GOAT and did not had the guts to fight the best is just down right shameful.

That doesn't matter because its easier to hate him than like him... Floyd beats Cotto: "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" Floyd beats Mosley: "Mosley is too old." Floyd beats Clottey: "Clottey isn't top competition." That's what is bound to happen.... Aparently, trashing Corrales isn't an acomplishment. Ripping Hatton in half isn't great. Beating ODLH at JMW isn't good. Killing Ndou(21 wins, 20 KOs) isn't great. Ooooooookay. Like the hating would stop because he faught those guys you mentioned. so it's easier to defend fights that never happened than wins he actually got? there's haters for every fighter. no matter what. if i'm a fan of a fighter , i'd rather defend his wins than defend him for not fighting guys.

In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed. He beat gatti, baldomir, JLC, Judah, and old de la hoya. But then again at the time he fought them any average fighter could have beaten them.especially the four first metioned.

A man who: Wins the WBC Super Featherweight title Defends it successfully 8x Moves to Lightweight and wins the WBC title Defends it successfully 3x Moves to LWW and wins the WBC title Moves to WW and wins the IBF and IBO title Defends IBF title and wins IBA and WBC WW titles Moves up to JMW and wins the WBC title Moves back down and defends WW WBC title again. Successfully Is that a great champion or no? Is that guy undefeated? LOL The quality of victims in his resume is more important to me than the titles but that career you laid out can still be considered a great achievement for any fighter.

Cotto has yet to become the man in any division. and has yet to become a lineal and ring champion in any division. Pacquaio Has Mosely Has JMM Has Ricky Hatton Has Nate Campbell Has Floyd Mayweather Has What this tells me is that all those fighters put in the work to be recognize as the man in their division no if and's or but's. Or could have would have or should have. That why I say Cotto put the hardwork in and rise atop of the welterweight division and win that lineal championship and get yourself some history under your name. Cotto is a good fighter. but at some point when are we as fans going to say to cotto stop fighting for vacant titles and go get the lineal title. and you do that by putting in the work. and winning the fights that mean something. me as a fan don't really care if cotto fights for vacant belts or if he has ever gotten a lineal belt. 1. miguel cotto defended those vacant belts against some of the best in the division. 2. mayweather got the lineal title at 147 from carlos baldomir. do you honestly think cotto wouldn't have beaten carlos baldomir if given the chance?

Um so? Its just as much as Mosley's fault as it is Floyd's. Cotto faught Margarito and everyone makes excuses, and Clottey was the easy route out. Seeing how Paul Williams was staring right at him. Look at you trying to downplay good boxers just because "Floyd" faught them. DLH was a great boxer, just not by the time Floyd got to him. Hatton was a good boxer, just not very good at 147 as was already proved by the time Floyd fought him. JLC was good, but Floyd was 1-1 against him. The guys you listed in the other thread, Corley, Baldomir, Gatti, N'Dou, etc, were you being serious?

No. If the fight was at 140-147 maybe but it was at 154, ODLH's comfort weight. Comfort weight when he was old, but De la hoya best weights were under that. Mosley showed more ability than Oscar as the years went by. Especially at 147 he's alot faster than at being at 154. theres no doubt that mosley is better than De La hoya at this stage in their careers. Especially at 147.

A man who: Wins the WBC Super Featherweight title Defends it successfully 8x Moves to Lightweight and wins the WBC title Defends it successfully 3x Moves to LWW and wins the WBC title Moves to WW and wins the IBF and IBO title Defends IBF title and wins IBA and WBC WW titles Moves up to JMW and wins the WBC title Moves back down and defends WW WBC title again. Successfully Is that a great champion or no? In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed.

if floyd had fought mosley one year , marg the next and then clottey the year after...... there wouldn't even be any anti-floyd threads. we'd all love the guy for fighting the best. That doesn't matter because its easier to hate him than like him... Floyd beats Cotto: "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" Floyd beats Mosley: "Mosley is too old." Floyd beats Clottey: "Clottey isn't top competition." That's what is bound to happen.... Aparently, trashing Corrales isn't an acomplishment. Ripping Hatton in half isn't great. Beating ODLH at JMW isn't good. Killing Ndou(21 wins, 20 KOs) isn't great. Ooooooookay. Like the hating would stop because he faught those guys you mentioned.

Floyd beat JLC, Baldomir, Gatti, Judah, old De La hoya for their titles.. Wow no won can beat them? Oh yeah Baldomir beat Judah, Gatti lost to Gomez, JLC stopped 4 previous times. But not everyone can say they beat Mosley at 147 even if it was a close fight. Not everyone can say I fought a plaster man up untill 11 rounds. does anyone really believe Mayweather wouldn't have quit? He'd probally cried for Margarito to stop.

Cotto has yet to become the man in any division. and has yet to become a lineal and ring champion in any division. Pacquaio Has Mosely Has JMM Has Ricky Hatton Has Nate Campbell Has Floyd Mayweather Has What this tells me is that all those fighters put in the work to be recognize as the man in their division no if and's or but's. Or could have would have or should have. That why I say Cotto put the hardwork in and rise atop of the welterweight division and win that lineal championship and get yourself some history under your name. Cotto is a good fighter. but at some point when are we as fans going to say to cotto stop fighting for vacant titles and go get the lineal title. and you do that by putting in the work. and winning the fights that mean something.

No. If the fight was at 140-147 maybe but it was at 154, ODLH's comfort weight. Who cares what weight it was at? Oscar was old and inactive, far past his best. If that fight at 154 meant anything at all, Floyd wouldn't be afraid to fight the top guys at 147. Hell, he even retired rather than face them. Now we get to see Floyd fight a true, good WW. Well not really, a 36 yo, past his best guy who was fighting at 130 last year and has all of two fights at 135. Weeeeeeeeeee. Hey Floyd, fight Cotto, Mosley or Williams, or do us all a favor and stay retired.

if floyd had fought mosley one year , marg the next and then clottey the year after...... there wouldn't even be any anti-floyd threads. we'd all love the guy for fighting the best.

Well if you're talking about Cotto, he fought 3 fighters that Floyd faced and beat all of them in more impressive fashion. He then fought guys Floyd didn't have the ballz to fight like Mosley, Margarito and now Clottey. Um so? Its just as much as Mosley's fault as it is Floyd's. Cotto faught Margarito and everyone makes excuses, and Clottey was the easy route out. Seeing how Paul Williams was staring right at him. Look at you trying to downplay good boxers just because "Floyd" faught them.

Hey whos the one is making a thread trying to pretend a fighter is bigger than he is? cotto has fought undefeated fighters and mosley who is a bigger legend than all the fighters floyd has faced. Margarito was an avoided fighter even by floyd. Mosley is much better at 147 than De La Hoya who floyd won a split decision. am I right? No. If the fight was at 140-147 maybe but it was at 154, ODLH's comfort weight.