There's a lot of haters & huggers on this board, but unbiasedly do you feel he he owes more to the sport of boxing?
Personally, I say yes. My reasoning is of all the past greats, they gave us every possible fight. I look at Oscar, Bernard, Winky, Sugar Ray, Duran, Ali, etc etc and the one common denominator is that they gave the sport and its fan's the fights they wanted to see.
I don't feel Floyd has at the higher weight classes (140,147,154).
Even in the lower weights he never fought a Joel Casamayor a Kostya Tszyu, Acelino Freitas he never beat a true legend in those divisions. He kept going up in weight and refusing to fight the real best fighters from his weight class.
Co-sign, although the work he did at 130-135 is substantially higher than 140, 147, 154. Even a stevie johnston or paul spadafora.
I don't think beating pwill will make anyone immortal... it didn't make quitnana immortal.
Today no, although his regard has risen after the winky domination. He's a throwback that can fight between 147,154,160. He's got a freakish tommy hearns type body. He's improving every fight. Punch output ridiculous.
In two years when floyd finishes up with the other guys, in a certain light you could see it as a leonard hagler type deal less the retirement n all.
Point is sky looks like the limit for pwill so its not out of the question.
what he did at 130 n 135 was great. he's already a hall of famer & a top 50 ATG. What has he done at 140,147,154? Not nearly as much, so yes the tail end of his career doesnt quite stack up to the early years. Other than financially ofcourse.
Even in the lower weights he never fought a Joel Casamayor a Kostya Tszyu, Acelino Freitas he never beat a true legend in those divisions. He kept going up in weight and refusing to fight the real best fighters from his weight class.
i hope he doen't fight mosley because all that will happen is he'll make mosley look a fool then get shit for fighting an old man. Gotta take on Cotto really, pac too small, and although i'm a hatton fan i don't want him to go near ricky again, we all know what the out come will be.
what about berto if he keeps winning? williams at 154?
I'll put it simple while floyd fights featherweights,Cotto,Mosley,Clottey and maybe Berto are going to keep welterweights the sh*t,an if floyd is to scared who gives a crap!!
i hope he doen't fight mosley because all that will happen is he'll make mosley look a fool then get shit for fighting an old man. Gotta take on Cotto really,
how about cotto fight mosley and the winner gets floyd? i think that works
pac too small, and although i'm a hatton fan i don't want him to go near ricky again, we all know what the out come will be.
yeah, but there's too much money in a pac fight for it not to happen
It might've if he hadn't gotten blown out with a quickness in the rematch.
even so I don't think it would make quitnana immortal
I don't think beating pwill will make anyone immortal... it didn't make quitnana immortal.
It might've if he hadn't gotten blown out with a quickness in the rematch.
don't speak too soon, floyd is coming back and hopefully he fight mosley and cotto while he's at it
i hope he doen't fight mosley because all that will happen is he'll make mosley look a fool then get shit for fighting an old man. Gotta take on Cotto really, pac too small, and although i'm a hatton fan i don't want him to go near ricky again, we all know what the out come will be.
i hope so, the guy's got the potential to be an all time top 10 maybe top 5. marquez/pac/cotto/mosely
and if he wants to attempt immortality - williams if he's able to make 154 and continues his tear.
I don't think beating pwill will make anyone immortal... it didn't make quitnana immortal.
hes deffo a HOFer but he should be fighting the best out there to be considered a great of his generation. i've no doubt that if floyd trained and put his mind to it he'd beat cotto, JMM and Margacheato. its just a shame he never engaged them to make himself a great. the only person i think that could pose him problems is williams just due to his shear size advantage at 147
don't speak too soon, floyd is coming back and hopefully he fight mosley and cotto while he's at it
i hope so, the guy's got the potential to be an all time top 10 maybe top 5. marquez/pac/cotto/mosely
and if he wants to attempt immortality - williams if he's able to make 154 and continues his tear.
well he's said many times that he wants to make the fights that fans want to see, or the biggest fights for his legacy, but he doesn't which is the reason i think he gets so much hate. I honestly think if he was a humble guy & didnt say those sorts of things people wouldnt care as much about who he fights etc. But when you're talking it up like that and dont deliver, yea its not gonna sit well with fans.
don't speak too soon, floyd is coming back and hopefully he fight mosley and cotto while he's at it
Also,
Very few get to the pedestool in boxing that floyd has, I feel where past greats did the torch proud and carried the sport, floyd had/perhaps still has the opportunity to carry the sport but he refuses.
this is the the truth!!!
floyd should make the fights that people want to see
well he's said many times that he wants to make the fights that fans want to see, or the biggest fights for his legacy, but he doesn't which is the reason i think he gets so much hate. I honestly think if he was a humble guy & didnt say those sorts of things people wouldnt care as much about who he fights etc. But when you're talking it up like that and dont deliver, yea its not gonna sit well with fans.
I dont think its fighting a smaller man thats the problem, i think it's that theres plenty of fish in his own division that he should tend to.
I have that tard on iggy. The difference is, DLH was old and fighting weight drained at a weight he hadn't made in 8 years. Plus DLH was not a ranked fighter, just a promoter offering Pac a chance to cash in on a faded DLH, like Floyd did. 16 mo ago, Floyd was #1 p4p, has been at WW for a while, and fought as high as JMW. Why in the heck can't he fight a WW with a pulse? Why is he trying to pad his resume on a fading futre HOFer like Marquez, two weight classes above where he's ever fought? Simple, he's a coward.
as ive seen in other threads, you dont know shit.... fighters move up in weiight all the fukkin time...... its a problem when floyd fights a smaller man all of a sudden? but its cool for a 5'10" de la hoya to fight 5'6" pacquiao? seriously, there is no way to even justify your hate..... you should just shut up
I dont think its fighting a smaller man thats the problem, i think it's that theres plenty of fish in his own division that he should tend to.
There's a lot of haters & huggers on this board, but unbiasedly do you feel he he owes more to the sport of boxing?
Personally, I say yes. My reasoning is of all the past greats, they gave us every possible fight. I look at Oscar, Bernard, Winky, Sugar Ray, Duran, Ali, etc etc and the one common denominator is that they gave the sport and its fan's the fights they wanted to see.
I don't feel Floyd has at the higher weight classes (140,147,154).
Well if Floyd ever wants to be mentioned in the same context as SRL, Duran, Ali, etc then he most certainly does. If he prefers a legacy of "could've beats" then go ahead, stay retired, or fight some featherweights several weight classes above where they've ever fought, same thing.