How much credit are we supposed to give FMJ for beating a 36 year old JMM at WW?

I give Floyd ZERO credits if he fights JMM @ WW. If he really think he is the best he should fight his own size or the pound for pound king itself Manny Pacquiao.

JMM is one of the smartest boxers i've ever seen and probably the worlds best boxer I'd agree with you if he fought JMM in his second fight back but he's not JMM is at a disadvantage, nobody is denying that but it makes perfect sense to have him as the comeback fight Answer the question, are you saying JMM is a greater risk at 147 than either Quintana or Collazo? Floyd called out Pavlik i'd expect Floyd to move completely up to 160 This isn't even relevant as we all know, this would involve taking risks.

Wait, did you just post that JMM is a greater risk than Collazo or Quintana at 147lbs? Really? I'm reading your post over and over to make sure I didn't misread that. JMM is one of the smartest boxers i've ever seen and probably the worlds best boxer I'd agree with you if he fought JMM in his second fight back but he's not JMM is at a disadvantage, nobody is denying that but it makes perfect sense to have him as the comeback fight JMM was going to move up to 140 anyway, moving up in another 3 - 4 lbs is a big risk but he did call out Floyd , heck if Floyd called out Pavlik i'd expect Floyd to move completely up to 160

Floyd could have fought Collazo, Quintana etc coming off a layoff He fights JMM who is a greater risk, simple as that JMM shouldn't have called him out if he wasn't willing to move up to 147 JMM ticks all the boxes, notority, money, with the weight being higher for Juan it lessens the risk Its a set up for May - Pac But let me guess Floyd wouldn't get any credit for beating Pacquiao, Pathetic Wait, did you just post that JMM is a greater risk than Collazo or Quintana at 147lbs? Really? I'm reading your post over and over to make sure I didn't misread that.

Floyd could have fought Collazo, Quintana etc coming off a layoff He fights JMM who is a greater risk, simple as that JMM shouldn't have called him out if he wasn't willing to move up to 147 JMM ticks all the boxes, notority, money, with the weight being higher for Juan it lessens the risk Its a set up for May - Pac But let me guess Floyd wouldn't get any credit for beating Pacquiao, Pathetic

Completely off topic, I was schocked when I read an interview when Jones in about 2000 (he was 31) complained about his knees not being the same as they were when he was 27, or something like that. Never read that interview; interesting, but not surprising. The body breaks down with to much training. Roy's a gym rat and people forget that miles accumulate despite how old you are. To much running on cement is a problem and boxers run for their stamina miles all the time. Then they go to the gym and put in more work. When Roy goes to the gym, he is going to keep moving and bouncing like he does in fights. Personally, I would stick with running on grass instead...and if you are near a beach and can run on sand, even better. Throw in some swim days as well. Tennis players have serious problems as well from playing on hard-courts. B-ball players start to have knee problems as well. Look at Kobe now compared to when he was a young kid. Still great, no dobut, but not quite the same athletically and/because he has knee problems. Roy and any other athletes that are movers and work on agility will start to wear down quicker. Even Emannuel said he thought Tyson would be worn down by 26 no matter what. I'd say he could have lasted until he was 28. I once heard the original plan for him was to retire at 28...although not positive on the source of that information.

Floyd matured into the WW division by eating what he wants and lifting weights. The guy eats chips while doing sit-ups for a laugh. He fights at 149 by fight-time while many other "WW" fight 10+ pounds over that. To me, yes, Floyd is now a WW but most of the others, aren't. Put a cap on the division on how much weight you can gain or tell everybody that they have to come in at the actual division weight by fight-time, and let's see how many can do it. That would also make Floyd a non-JrWW because I don't think he can fight by fight-time at 140 anymore. And I don't think many JrWW can fight at 140 by fight-time. So they are moving up to WW now which includes Pac. Floyd's still in his prime: how so? When he starts fighting like he used to, like he did against Gatti and the fights before; when he has healthy hands; when he stops retiring...call me. This game is Mental and Physical. When you btich about not liking the sport and then retire...that's the mental side to it. When you say you fight differentley now because you worry about your kids, bitch about your injuries that you are tired of fighting with, etc. etc. and don't take the same risks, that's the mental side to it affected by the physical. That's not the same fighter that fought like this: I count "Prime" at your best and he isn't at his best. Maybe we can go with a piont system though: say, like from 1-100, with 100 being your peak, and from 90-100 being in your prime...where would Floyd stand right now. So even if he is not at his peak and has slipped a little, he can still be considered "prime." It depends on how you view it. But one thing is for sure; he is only doing enough to win fights now and doesn't start fighting until later. That's something Hopkins started to do as well as he declined. He also likes to pot-shot more than ever and doesn't use his jab as much. That's something Roy Jones Jr. started to favor as he got older. He also doesn't move quite as much; another thing Jones Jr. started to favor. Completely off topic, I was schocked when I read an interview when Jones in about 2000 (he was 31) complained about his knees not being the same as they were when he was 27, or something like that.

I'd actually give him a decent amount of credit. especially if he beats marquez handily. No one has ever really beaten Marquez without it being controversial. Marquez is p4p number 2, and i do think he'd be effective at 140 which is why i would give Floyd more credit for beating Marquez at that weight. But since the fight will be at 147...i wont give him full credit, but he def would deserve some still if he won. Marquez is a tough, accurate, sharp puncher, who's patience and ring smarts will cause floyd some problems.

It has been expicitely clear, that this is a tune up fight... Floyd does not see this as some huge mega fight... hence the TUNE UP phrase

I've seen so many fighters come up and down in weight without anyone making much fuzz about it. But Floyd mayweather just wants the special treatment. some fighters have gone up in weight, but what manny did was incredible, now people expect every fighter to move up 3 to five weight classes in a flash. the only fans that are looking foward to this fight are the ones that are hoping for the best, because they know thats the only way Marquez can fight Mayweather is at another weight. So they know 140 is still a challenge for Marguez, but they know they dont have nothing to lose. But 147 is even more ridiculous. And every fighter has to make the same weight before they fight whatever they weigh-in the other day doesn't matter, because its been that way since forever. And you still miss the point that JrWW are showing up at 147+ by fight-time. JMM is moving up to 140 anyway. Floyd was fighting at 149 by fight-time when he was an active WW. If JMM was fighting another WW that puts on 10+ pounds by fight-time, yeah, it would be ridiculous. I'm still not in favor of the bout anyway.

Pac has shown to carry his speed and power to 135 and 147.He has proven that his body can handle the extra weight comfortably so Pac against WW's such as Mosley, Cotto and Floyd should be acceptable. JMM's fights at LW were shaky at best and mostly BECAUSE of the extra weight he had to put on. In no way did he dominate against Diaz or Casamayor. Infact, he was arguably losing each fight untill he got the KO. Lets be real about this. Floyd is a natural WW who can make JW. He's still in his prime who's had a minor lay off. And I say minor lay off because even his FANS say he's a gym rat who is always in shape. So we're not talking about a Hatton-esque fighter who goes on food and alcohol binges when not fighting. We're talking about one of the most technically AND physically gifted fighters in the history of the sport. And Floyd fans are trying to justify and are ready to give credit to Floyd for wanting to fight JMM at 147, a weight class he has never fought in, TWO weight classes above the division he JUST fought in and is even SMALL for that division, a fighter who's been in multiple wars and is showing signs of slowing down. You mean to tell me that the fact that Floyd not fighting in a year and a half is as equally a disadvantage as JMM havin to move up multiple divisions even though he is a small as LightWeight to begin with? I seriously cannot fathom how a boxing fan could see justification for that. Boxingscene has reached a new low. Floyd matured into the WW division by eating what he wants and lifting weights. The guy eats chips while doing sit-ups for a laugh. He fights at 149 by fight-time while many other "WW" fight 10+ pounds over that. To me, yes, Floyd is now a WW but most of the others, aren't. Put a cap on the division on how much weight you can gain or tell everybody that they have to come in at the actual division weight by fight-time, and let's see how many can do it. That would also make Floyd a non-JrWW because I don't think he can fight by fight-time at 140 anymore. And I don't think many JrWW can fight at 140 by fight-time. So they are moving up to WW now which includes Pac. Floyd's still in his prime: how so? When he starts fighting like he used to, like he did against Gatti and the fights before; when he has healthy hands; when he stops retiring...call me. This game is Mental and Physical. When you btich about not liking the sport and then retire...that's the mental side to it. When you say you fight differentley now because you worry about your kids, bitch about your injuries that you are tired of fighting with, etc. etc. and don't take the same risks, that's the mental side to it affected by the physical. That's not the same fighter that fought like this: I count "Prime" at your best and he isn't at his best. Maybe we can go with a piont system though: say, like from 1-100, with 100 being your peak, and from 90-100 being in your prime...where would Floyd stand right now. So even if he is not at his peak and has slipped a little, he can still be considered "prime." It depends on how you view it. But one thing is for sure; he is only doing enough to win fights now and doesn't start fighting until later. That's something Hopkins started to do as well as he declined. He also likes to pot-shot more than ever and doesn't use his jab as much. That's something Roy Jones Jr. started to favor as he got older. He also doesn't move quite as much; another thing Jones Jr. started to favor.

Even more ridiculous are these Floyd fans saying, "Well, if JMM is so "great", why doesn't he man up and fight Floyd at 147 to prove how great he is?" Really? JMM isn't claiming to he the greatest fighter of all time who appreciates what Robinson and Ali have done for the sport, but feels superior to them JMM fans aren't claiming he is the greatest of all time who has dominated every weightclass he has been in and is UNBEATABLE JMM nor his fans are claiming that his skills are pretty much un****able with. If that question really has to be asked, then it should be directed towards FLOYD and his fans so he can prove what they claim. Not the other way around.

So you think JMM is at his best 140 or 147? JMM is at his best under 140. Floyd was at his best at 140 tops. Right now; I'd say it depends on how you look at it. JMM can't fight the WW fighters that are dehydrating their bodies to make 147 on the scales and then rehydrating 10-20 pounds by fight-time. But with Floyd, who used to show up at 149, like many JrWW do by fight-time, it's not so bad. It will be like fighting in the JrWW division except there is no need to make weight on the scales. JMM has a better shot at beating Floyd at 140 because Floyd would have to take off weight for the scales and he would risk showing up "flat" by fight time since he hasn't had to do that in a while, especially given the long layoff. I'm more in favor of Floyd fighting a JrWW that shows up at 149 by fight time for his come-back fight. And then maybe one more fight and then he should be ready for Cotto.

So we can forget Pac fighting JMM again and maybe JMM should think about retiring. No point in Shane going on either since Floyd shouldn't bother with him. Floyd vs. Cotto makes sense. Not sure why Pac is fighting Hatton then; Freddie Roach said Hatton is past his best since Floyd. And for Floyd, I don't think he has fought at his best for some time now. He fights different; he has retired a couple of times now; and always goes into fights with brittle hands. Plus the long layoff couldn't have helped any. Pac has shown to carry his speed and power to 135 and 147.He has proven that his body can handle the extra weight comfortably so Pac against WW's such as Mosley, Cotto and Floyd should be acceptable. JMM's fights at LW were shaky at best and mostly BECAUSE of the extra weight he had to put on. In no way did he dominate against Diaz or Casamayor. Infact, he was arguably losing each fight untill he got the KO. Lets be real about this. Floyd is a natural WW who can make JW. He's still in his prime who's had a minor lay off. And I say minor lay off because even his FANS say he's a gym rat who is always in shape. So we're not talking about a Hatton-esque fighter who goes on food and alcohol binges when not fighting. We're talking about one of the most technically AND physically gifted fighters in the history of the sport. And Floyd fans are trying to justify and are ready to give credit to Floyd for wanting to fight JMM at 147, a weight class he has never fought in, TWO weight classes above the division he JUST fought in and is even SMALL for that division, a fighter who's been in multiple wars and is showing signs of slowing down. You mean to tell me that the fact that Floyd not fighting in a year and a half is as equally a disadvantage as JMM havin to move up multiple divisions even though he is a small as LightWeight to begin with? I seriously cannot fathom how a boxing fan could see justification for that. Boxingscene has reached a new low.

I've seen so many fighters come up and down in weight without anyone making much fuzz about it. But Floyd mayweather just wants the special treatment. some fighters have gone up in weight, but what manny did was incredible, now people expect every fighter to move up 3 to five weight classes in a flash. the only fans that are looking foward to this fight are the ones that are hoping for the best, because they know thats the only way Marquez can fight Mayweather is at another weight. So they know 140 is still a challenge for Marguez, but they know they dont have nothing to lose. But 147 is even more ridiculous. And every fighter has to make the same weight before they fight whatever they weigh-in the other day doesn't matter, because its been that way since forever.

At 147, none whatsoever AT 140, some credit, JMM stil out of his Division, Out of his prime and old!!!!!!!!! So we can forget Pac fighting JMM again and maybe JMM should think about retiring. No point in Shane going on either since Floyd shouldn't bother with him. Floyd vs. Cotto makes sense. Not sure why Pac is fighting Hatton then; Freddie Roach said Hatton is past his best since Floyd. And for Floyd, I don't think he has fought at his best for some time now. He fights different; he has retired a couple of times now; and always goes into fights with brittle hands. Plus the long layoff couldn't have helped any.

Did you see his last fight? It was at 135 and not 147.He looked rather slow, but his punching power stopped Diaz. All floyd really wants to do is run and have his opponent out of condition by asking them to fighting in a heavier weight class. You do realize the fighter can show up lighter than 147 and JMM won't have to dehydrate for the fight. Floyd didn't even show up at 154 by fight-time against Oscar. You want to fight at your best weight. Hatton did the same when he fought Floyd. Hatton didn't make the same mistake he did when he was a WW before when he faced Collazo. It didn't matter in the end but he gave himself a better chance in coming in a weight he felt comfortable at instead of feeling the need to come in bigger. Plus, it's not like Floyd was going over 149 anyway.

i have a counter question mr. jeffries sir... How much credit are we supposed to give JMM for beating a 31 year old FMJ at WW? All the credit in the world.

Im talking about after that. Why cant he fight those 2 guys and then fight the WW's? Again, when you have a chance to fight the 2 best guys in boxing then you jump on it because the oppurtunity may never come again. He can fight the WW boys after that. People make it sound like Floyd is in his 1st division and comes into the ring at 162 pounds. He's in his 4th class and only fights in the ring at 148. Stop acting like he's this huge monster that is going to look like Godzilla next to JMM I suppose you would support a bout with Ivan Calderon too...

i have a counter question mr. jeffries sir... How much credit are we supposed to give JMM for beating a 31 year old FMJ at WW?